Bruno, You seem to be arguing that the total energy in the multiverse is a constant. Is that so? Richard
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 06 Dec 2014, at 12:59, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 05 Dec 2014, at 20:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> What I want to know is if anyone takes conservation of energy seriously? >> >> >> Yes. Quantum mechanics without collapse does not violate the conservation >> of energy. You just cannot sum up the energy in the different branch of the >> superposition. If you do, just the two slits experiment would violate >> energy conservation, but the math shows otherwise. >> Similarly thanks to the quantization modal principle which is a theorem >> in the material modalities (hypostases) we have good reason that the >> physics extracted from comp will conserve energy, and the probabilities. >> > > > Please explain how you cannot sum all the energies in each branch. > > > Because QM's equation allows only interference between the branch, not > physical interaction. You can formally add the energy of course, but that > sum of energy is not available in any branches. According to Weinberg, that > would be the case if the SWE was slightly delinearize. Strict linearity > avoids all physical or observable mixture of the components of the > universal wave, making such a sum of energy in different branches of the > wave non physical. An hydrogen atom with an electron in a superposed state > of two level of energy has not an energy being the sum of the two energies. > You don't need that sum of energy to put the electron is such a state. the > superposition of the incoming photon will be enough. > I might think of a more formal treatment of this. > > Bruno > > > > > Richard > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:49 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 12/5/2014 8:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from >>>>> primary existence. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What's the difference? Isn't physical existence the paradigmatic >>>> case? the example we point to when asked to define "exits"? >>>> >>> >>> Not wanting to bypass Bruno's more sophisticated explanations, I tend >>> to equate "physical existence" with the idea of something existing >>> independently of an observer. Or, to put it another way, taking 3p reality >>> seriously. No? >>> >>> >>> Sure. Does anyone not take it seriously - I mean anyone outside a >>> mental hospital? >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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