RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

['Chris de Morsella' via Everything List]

 

 

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Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to 
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:04 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

On 1/11/2015 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

We can't criticize religions because the churches, with the help of the main 
stream atheist (of your type), does not want us to come back to reasoning at 
that level, yet.


All the atheists I know are fine with a search for fundamental reality with a 
scientific attitude.  The only thing they don't like about your program is your 
insistence on calling something (it's not clear what) "God".  They don't like 
that because "God" has a common meaning;

 

Quantum physics and relativity have many popular interpretations and snappy 
analogies. Is this the standard then? Should we rely on these when doing 
research for clarity's sake, because it's easier to exchange mails/posts about, 
or should we rely on what we judge to be the best interpretations?

 

it means a supernatural person who created the world and judges human worth and 
communicates His commands through priests and mystics and sacred texts.

 

Not the neo-platonic interpretation of the concept. God is merely a more 
familiar term for unnameable principle or fundamental source of reality, 
stripped from its usual personal or theistic connotations. 

The root of everything and nothing, if you pardon this neo-platonic blasphemy, 
required to form an order or hierarchy that we ultimately cannot take 
literally. 

The via negativa has been with us long enough to be recognized by Christian 
theology, which takes quite a while... :-) Anybody can google it. 

Instead of saying yes or no to god with attributes, according to Plotinus, this 
implies sidestepping the issue and pursuing the consequences of asserting 
negative belief.

In this sidestepping there is a point at which reason is left behind, which is 
consistent with incompleteness phenomenon, failure of logicism, mysticism etc. 
The move is grounded in the consequence that somebody asserting existence or 
non-existence of God has to be able to therefore "know the root and source of 
all and nothing". The latter is assumed impossible. Therefore sidestepping and 
questioning the implications of such a move in Plotinus' work. PGC

Once Bruno explained to me how he intends the term god when he uses it I 
understood his intent. Clearly he is not connoting some biblical deity when he 
uses the term. While it may be a continuous source of confusion for him as 
others who are unfamiliar with his meaning of god, encounter his usage of it; 
it is his prerogative to decide to use that term.

-Chris

  I don't think you believe in this "God" but you want to poke the eye of some 
atheists who rejected your work.

Brent

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