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I don't know if I'm a likable fellow, and I'd say probably not, but thanks. The
war and clash of civilizations thing comes up in the absence of some better
alternative. Being overly polite with the Islamists leads to Boko Haram and
Paris, I truly believe, because they view gentleness as weakness.
Who is “they”? Muslim culture in general, or specific criminal gangs of thugs
using Islam as a justification and cover for their crimes?
The killings are worldwide, in places, on a far smaller scale as in Thailand
and the Philippines and India.
Gang killings occur in every country. Organized criminal thugs are operating in
many places around the world, not just in Muslim countries. Why do you
constrain yourself to fight only organized criminal organizations that operate
under cover of Islam, using it as a fig leaf to cover their murderous actions?
Do you think the Zetas and other Mexican drug cartels (or any of the other drug
cartels for that matter are not as murderous? I used to live and drive all over
the region of Mexico and South Texas where the Zetas; that whole region has
been terrified by these murderous criminal thugs who have beheaded people
before ISIS got into that game (ex. 2013 beheaded four woman allegedly tied to
a rival gang). They have done many mass killings; more than 60,000 people have
died in Mexican drug wars.
The reason, in large part, is the Islamists want to achieve immediate entrance
to Janah, or Paradise, where they get endless access to women, and good times
forever, for sacrificing now.
Blablabla… yeah so they tell you. Criminal thugs are not motivated by such
stupid fairy tales, these are hardcore criminal psychopaths who are using Islam
as window dressing.
ISIS is not the Third Reich; to make that comparison is fucking laughable. ISIS
is an organized murderous criminal gang. It should be dealt with in that manner
and portrayed in this light.
ISIS is not Islam, in the same way as that asshole who mass murdered all those
teenagers in a summer youth camp in Norway is not Christian.
-Chris
This is one reason. In a way, this is akin to letting the 3rd Reich or Japanese
imperialists gain power and momentum in a war, which most nations didn't
want-then war becomes the only solution, because things then become
existential. This seems to be happening once more with the Islamists-which
appear to be gaining momentum today.
Points to be remembered on this forum. No I don't have the proper answer, nor
do I have influence to effect events, for good or ill. It's just my attempt at
problem solving, and sometimes being bloody-minded is something that needs to
be thought through, before choosing a better option. That is if we have
options?
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From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]>
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Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 2:06 am
Subject: RE: Democracy
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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Democracy
Brent says true, in that terrorism is a method, not an end in itself. I wonder
if people would agree to the terms, as a war against Islamist extremists, or
radical Jihadis or? I think naming the enemies of freedom and peace in the
middle east in nigeria with boko haram, and today in belgium (Hi Bruno) would
be more acceptable, in that its limited targets, for a limited duration. Also,
the mean of 'war' need not be violent, because you can't beat an idea with war
alone.
You’re a far more likable fellow, when you don’t do the gung ho go to war talk.
P.S. What Boko Harem did in the towns of Baga and Doron Baga – during the same
days as what went on in France FYI – is a first order war crime. They massacred
2,500 people (Muslim African people) and destroyed almost 4,000 buildings,
literally razing those towns to the ground. They surely should be hunted down
and arrested for their horrible war crimes, including the enslavement of all
those school girls, but it should be a police action, not a war, and certainly
not a crusade!
Bastards like that don’t deserve the honor of being treated as enemies, they
are criminal murderous thugs, and in a just world would be brought to face
justice.
-Chris
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From: meekerdb <[email protected]>
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Sent: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: Democracy
On 1/14/2015 11:52 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
In case no one has noticed, our dear president Obama has changed the rhetoric
used as cover for our Orwellian systems state of permanent war…. The term “War
on Terror” is bad enough, it implies an endless war requiring an Orwellian
intrusive state. But at least it seemed circumscribed to opponents it could
describe as being involved in terror.
Obama is now calling it the “War on extremism”. That term sends Orwellian
shivers down my spine; it is so broad and arbitrary in nature and can be used
to describe any and all opponents.
Sigh, everybody's so paranoid about government. Obama started using
"extremism" because the chattering classes kept pointing out that terrorism is
just a tactic and you can't make war on a tactic.
Brent
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