On 19 Jan 2015, at 01:11, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote:
Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least
having an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in
God, I merely find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it
contributes anything to discussions such as "why is there
something rather than nothing?" So I am agnostic, as I am about
all the other gods, not to mention Santa, who I recently saw on
"Doctor Who".
(Of course I do believe in Daleks...)
If you believe in Daleks, you believe enough to believe in the God
of the machine. We need it, to use the theory of machine's dream as
an explanation why we see physical universes and sometimes pink
elephants, despite nothing like that really exists.
I give the math to see if we get right the number of pink elephants
in the many-dreams (by number) interpretation of elementary
arithmetic (0 I guess, and hope).
Keep in mind that God is defined by being the object of the theory
of everything, or, by definition, the answer we look for with the
question "why is there something instead of nothing?".
The question is not if God exists or not. But if
But that's silly. You presume God exists, but with no description,
so the only task is to find a description to go with the word
"God". If you're going to ask whether something exists that cannot
be defined ostensively, then you need to define it by description.
Otherwise it's just wordplay. Compare:
The question isn't whether Paul Bunyan exists or not. But if
Paul Bunyan = the physical universe?
Paul Bunyan = a mathematical structure? Which one?
Paul Bunyan = a dream by a universal machine?
Paul Bunyan = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines?
Paul Bunyan = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams?
Paul Bunyan = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself?
Paul Bunyan = the universal person?
Paul Bunyan = the universal person completions? (if that exists)
Paul Bunyan = Allah?
Paul Bunyan = Jesus?
Paul Bunyan = Krishna?
Paul Bunyan = my tax collector?
Paul Bunyan = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then
made the humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag
of catnip?
etc.
Brent
God = the physical universe?
God = a mathematical structure? Which one?
God = a dream by a universal machine?
God = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines?
God = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams?
God = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself?
God = the universal person?
God = the universal person completions? (if that exists)
God = Allah?
God = Jesus?
God = Krishna?
God = my tax collector?
God = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the
humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of
catnip?
etc.
"Theo" in greek run around the idea of contemplation, examination
and speculation. A religion is only an as large as possible
conception of reality, and God is a nickname for what is real,
That's disingenuous. "Reality" is a common word, so we don't need a
nickname. You seem to be just making up excuses to use "God".
I missed that paragraph.
The problem is that "reality" is easily confused with "physical
reality", because we are (still) in the aristotelian era. The best
general term for reality (or source of reality) is God, with a
paragraph reminding us that those who invented the concept God, One,
were already asking themselves if it is a person or a thing. Using
"God" reminds us that we don't know. Even with comp, a personal god is
not entirely excluded. Open problem. That was an open problem for
Plotinus too, although he contradicts himself a little bit on that
(difficult) question.
We might try to refocus on the points, as those vocabulary problem are
only distracting us.
Bruno
Brent
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