2015-01-19 16:06 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > > On 19 Jan 2015, at 01:11, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote: > > Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having > an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in God, I merely > find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it contributes anything > to discussions such as "why is there something rather than nothing?" So I > am agnostic, as I am about all the other gods, not to mention Santa, who I > recently saw on "Doctor Who". > > (Of course I do believe in Daleks > <https://mayaofauckland.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/rub-vigorously-with-nuns-preparation/> > ...) > > > If you believe in Daleks, you believe enough to believe in the God of > the machine. We need it, to use the theory of machine's dream as an > explanation why we see physical universes and sometimes pink elephants, > despite nothing like that really exists. > > I give the math to see if we get right the number of pink elephants in > the many-dreams (by number) interpretation of elementary arithmetic (0 I > guess, and hope). > > Keep in mind that God is defined by being the object of the theory of > everything, or, by definition, the answer we look for with the question > "why is there something instead of nothing?". > > The question is not if God exists or not. But if > > > But that's silly. You presume God exists, but with no description, so the > only task is to find a description to go with the word "God". If you're > going to ask whether something exists that cannot be defined ostensively, > then you need to define it by description. Otherwise it's just wordplay. > Compare: > > The question isn't whether Paul Bunyan exists or not. But if > > Paul Bunyan = the physical universe? > Paul Bunyan = a mathematical structure? Which one? > Paul Bunyan = a dream by a universal machine? > Paul Bunyan = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines? > Paul Bunyan = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams? > Paul Bunyan = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself? > Paul Bunyan = the universal person? > Paul Bunyan = the universal person completions? (if that exists) > Paul Bunyan = Allah? > Paul Bunyan = Jesus? > Paul Bunyan = Krishna? > Paul Bunyan = my tax collector? > Paul Bunyan = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the > humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of catnip? > etc. > > Brent > > > God = the physical universe? > God = a mathematical structure? Which one? > God = a dream by a universal machine? > God = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines? > God = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams? > God = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself? > God = the universal person? > God = the universal person completions? (if that exists) > God = Allah? > God = Jesus? > God = Krishna? > God = my tax collector? > God = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the humans > to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of catnip? > etc. > > "Theo" in greek run around the idea of contemplation, examination and > speculation. A religion is only an as large as possible conception of > reality, and God is a nickname for what is real, > > > That's disingenuous. "Reality" is a common word, so we don't need a > nickname. You seem to be just making up excuses to use "God". > > > I missed that paragraph. > > The problem is that "reality" is easily confused with "physical reality", > because we are (still) in the aristotelian era. The best general term for > reality (or source of reality) is > > .... snip ...
The best general term for reality (or source of reality) is reality (or source of reality). Quentin > Bruno > > > > > > > Brent > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
