2015-01-19 16:06 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>: > > On 19 Jan 2015, at 01:11, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote: > > Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having > an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in God, I merely > find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it contributes anything > to discussions such as "why is there something rather than nothing?" So I > am agnostic, as I am about all the other gods, not to mention Santa, who I > recently saw on "Doctor Who". > > (Of course I do believe in Daleks > <https://mayaofauckland.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/rub-vigorously-with-nuns-preparation/> > ...) > > > If you believe in Daleks, you believe enough to believe in the God of > the machine. We need it, to use the theory of machine's dream as an > explanation why we see physical universes and sometimes pink elephants, > despite nothing like that really exists. > > I give the math to see if we get right the number of pink elephants in > the many-dreams (by number) interpretation of elementary arithmetic (0 I > guess, and hope). > > Keep in mind that God is defined by being the object of the theory of > everything, or, by definition, the answer we look for with the question > "why is there something instead of nothing?". > > The question is not if God exists or not. But if > > > But that's silly. You presume God exists, but with no description, so the > only task is to find a description to go with the word "God". If you're > going to ask whether something exists that cannot be defined ostensively, > then you need to define it by description. Otherwise it's just wordplay. > Compare: > > The question isn't whether Paul Bunyan exists or not. But if > > Paul Bunyan = the physical universe? > Paul Bunyan = a mathematical structure? Which one? > Paul Bunyan = a dream by a universal machine? > Paul Bunyan = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines? > Paul Bunyan = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams? > Paul Bunyan = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself? > Paul Bunyan = the universal person? > Paul Bunyan = the universal person completions? (if that exists) > Paul Bunyan = Allah? > Paul Bunyan = Jesus? > Paul Bunyan = Krishna? > Paul Bunyan = my tax collector? > Paul Bunyan = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the > humans to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of catnip? > etc. > > Brent > > > God = the physical universe? > God = a mathematical structure? Which one? > God = a dream by a universal machine? > God = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines? > God = the one who lost itself in a labyrinth of dreams? > God = the one who plays hide and seek with Itself? > God = the universal person? > God = the universal person completions? (if that exists) > God = Allah? > God = Jesus? > God = Krishna? > God = my tax collector? > God = the one who made the cat in its own image, and then made the humans > to gives the vat the modern comfort, with TV nad bag of catnip? > etc. > > "Theo" in greek run around the idea of contemplation, examination and > speculation. A religion is only an as large as possible conception of > reality, and God is a nickname for what is real, > > > That's disingenuous. "Reality" is a common word, so we don't need a > nickname. You seem to be just making up excuses to use "God". > > > I missed that paragraph. > > The problem is that "reality" is easily confused with "physical reality", > because we are (still) in the aristotelian era. The best general term for > reality (or source of reality) is > > .... snip ...
The best general term for reality (or source of reality) is reality (or source of reality). Quentin > Bruno > > > > > > > Brent > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
