On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:46, Samiya Illias wrote (to Chris): > > > Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and > Everything Else that is or may exist? > > > Very good, and common, definition. It is in most of my theological > dictionaries. Note that the Universe is itself among the things which may, > or may not, exist. > > Glad you agree. Most people are okay with Creator but not okay with Sustainer... > The raison d'être of everything? > > OK. > :) > The unanswerable and unexplainable first reason? > > > This is saying more than needed, but I agree, and it follows from the > definition above if we assume computationalism. > Hmm.. > > Who chooses to remain hidden but Whose presence cannot be denied? > > > OK. We might be able to explain why "he chooses to remain hidden", once we > agree on some definition and axioms. > My favourite text does contain some clues such as: 1. that God is the 'noor' [spiritual light?, radiation?, ??? http://quran.com/24/35 ] of the Heavens and Earth; 2. vision perceives Him not but He perceives all [http://quran.com/6/103 ]; 3. that when Moses asked to see God, he was told that if the mountain can bear to see God, then perhaps Moses might be able to see God [ http://quran.com/7/143 ]; 4. it is not for any 'bashr' [mortal?] to communicate with God except by revelation or from behind a veil or through a messenger [ http://quran.com/42/51] 5. and that God's command descends through the entire creation, and He has encompassed everything in His knowledge [http://quran.com/65/12 ] > > The question that nobody can begin to answer?! > > > I can agree, but to be honest, I am not always sure you do agree yourself > with this, due to some attachment you illustrate with literal > interpretation of some human text. > Some attachment? Great attachment!!! I am quite convinced that it not a human text, and the more I study it, the more fascinatingly convincing I find it to be [http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/ ] And why nobody can answer? Simply because God is not like anything else [ http://quran.com/112/ ] Samiya > I agree those text does not give the answer, though, but it looks like it > answers them implicitly, in some way, which can be very misleading if taken > literally. It introduces the argument-per-authority (non valid) in the > discourse. We can see how some non-believers can exploit that, for special > interests. > > Bruno > > > > > > > > > > Samiya > > Brent > > > > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
