On 14 Feb 2015, at 19:04, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
In Islam, I have read, is a being called The Doubter, which the
faithful associate with the devil, they term, iblis. But certainly,
doubt is the true beginning of wisdom?
No doubt about this (note the pun).
Only those lacking faith fears the doubt. They might lie to
themselves, but usually it is just because they want to use religion
to control others, and they lie to others, knowing well what they do.
Putting doubt on the necessity of doubt is a quasi tradition when a
religion is institutionalized. One pope said that the doubt is the
devil. It is a prelude to the use of authoritative argument, in a
domain where it is the most grave to do so, I think.
Bruno
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From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 1:22 am
Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From
quantum theory to dialectics?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Samiya Illias
<samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your argument is based upon the collective thinking of some human
thinkers and philosophers, while my arguments are based upon a Book
which, if numbers matter, a large number of humans believe to be of
a divine revelation.
I find it interesting that these large number of humans who believe
in this silly holy book of yours are not distributed equally around
the globe as you'd expect if it were due to God's grace, but instead
religious belief shows an enormously strong geographical
correlation. You believe that the Quran is true for the same reason
nearly all those large number of humans believe it to be true, their
mommy and daddy told them it was true, and there is nothing deeper
to it than that.
> Studying scripture or being a Muslim does not limit or forbid
studying the sciences or other disciplines. Seeking knowledge is
encouraged.
If Seeking knowledge is encouraged it's very strange that although
Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one
Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for
chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his
tombstone said "First Muslim Nobel Laureate", but the Pakistani
government officially decreed that Ahmed Zewail was NOT a Muslim and
ordered that the word "Muslim" be erased from his tombstone.
By the way, Jews are only .19% of the world's population and yet
they've won 20% of the Nobel Prizes.
> Doubt is the lack of faith!
Exactly true, but you almost make that sound like a bad thing.
John k Clark
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