On 25 Feb 2015, at 22:08, LizR wrote:
On 25 February 2015 at 15:00, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 , LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> skeptical atheism appears to be based on faith.
I see, so belief in God is based on faith and so is doubts about
the existence of God, but for a word to be meaningful there must be
contrast, so your need to point out something, anything, that is NOT
based on faith. And if you can't do that then "faith" is nothing but
a noise made by the mouth.
You might have done me the courtesy of giving the entire quote, so
the context was clear. But I suppose you couldn't do that because it
would have meant the point you're trying to make would have been
revealed as a straw man.
Here is that troublesome quote in full.
Or, to put it more epistemically, skeptical atheism appears to be
based on faith. It is based on the faith that our present ideologies
will be preserved by final science. Current physicalism may turn out
to be as delusory as Abrahamic theology.
-- Eric Steinhart, "Skeptical and Spiritual Atheisms"
A genuine sceptic (and a genuine scientist) is agnostic about what
the final science may turn out to be, if we ever get there. (Brent
tries to be, for example, as do I). What Mr Steinhart is saying is
that "skeptical atheists" as he calls them are making a metaphysical
assumption about the nature of reality - which is, precisely, an act
of faith.
Indeed. And in this case, science has refuted it in the comp frame. We
know today that if computationalism is correct then physicalism cannot
work. It is the whole point.
We will never know-for-sure if comp is correct, because in (public,
3p) science we just never know-for-sure anything at all.
Yet, we can know that comp is correct, in the usual theaetetus' sense
of believing it, in case it is true.
Bruno
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