On 27 Feb 2015, at 19:50, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:29 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I don't know about all the peepee stuff but I do know that If
Everett is right then all experiences exist, and if Everett is right
nothing is random because the Schrodinger wave equation is not random.
> He means it appears random from any given person's perspective.
Yes, people very often, usually in fact, don't know with certainty
what the future will bring. Bruno apparently believes he's the first
to notice that,
I never said that. never. But you made me believe it is a findamental
discovery not yet understood by many, or, when understood, not being
taken into account (due in general to people unaware that elementary
arithmetical truth implement all computations.
Sometimes I make the distinction between the local FPI and the global
FPI.
The local FPI is the indeterminacy in a WM-duplication (say), where
all you need to understand is that if you are a machine (at some
description level), then you are duplicable, and you can't predict
with certainty the outcome of your future "open-the-door" experience.
The global FPI involves either arithmetical realism, or the existence
of a concrete universal dovetailer execution. It is the indeterminacy
described at step seven.
I think you are the only person I know who does not understand the
local FPI described in step 3. Yet, only that one explains how a form
of subjective randomness appears, and is described in a verifiable way
in their notebooks. Indeed, by simply duplicating population of
machines, we can make that indeterminacy first person plural, like it
seems with QM, except that here we don't start from QM.
I am doing an easy thing here, which just show how hard the mind-body
problem is with computationalism as the physical reality has to be
extracted by some limit Global indteerminacy of the universal machine
in (sigma_1) arithmetic.
It is easy, as it is a formulation of a problem.
It is shocking only for those who take the physical universe's primary
character for granted. The religious physicalist, if you want. But
those betrayes their lack of scientific atitude. They forbid the doubt.
well he is the first to give that concept a pompous sounding
acronym. As I said, philosophy around here is finding pretentious
and long words to describe well known but pedestrian ideas.
It is philosophy. OK. But it is also computer science, cognitive
science, theoretical physics and ... theology (in the sense of Plato,
Parmenides, Plotinus, Proclus).
It is science. If you found a mistake, publish it.
John, you must be serious, you have not yet convinced anyone of any
reason why not trying answering the question in step 4 of the
Universal Dovetailer Argument.
You play with the word when mocking the simple indexical definition of
1p and 3p I gave, which makes their job in the UDA. It is pure 3p,
anyone can undesrtand, and sometimes you do understand (and then say
this does not deserve the Nobel Prize in Physics, which might be true,
or false, but is not relevant), as when you do understand it, what
about step 4?
And, then very patiently, for those who would not implicate themselves
in a self-duplicating experience, I translated this in pure 3p
arithmetic, thanks to Gödel's and Solovay's results. Self-duplication
and self-reference are defined with Kleene second recursion theorem.
You should study the math part if you stop at step 3. And ask any
question if something seems unclear, instead of dismissing, injuring,
insinuating, etc.
Bruno
John K Clark
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