This and the next post of yours are classic. In the next one you cast doubt on our space-based worldview - I was waiting for the next step: the TIME_BASED doubt. * Bruno quoted Samiya concluding: *Doubt is the lack of faith!* - and I could not keep my agnostic mind from reversing this into: *Faith is the lack of doubt*. * And I salute your hint to the axioms as startups for logicians' thinking. I would add tothe 'he assumes' - in order to verify the theories applicable in (our) science.
Regards JM On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:05 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 3/4/2015 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Feb 2015, at 20:40, Samiya Illias wrote: > > My faith encourages me to pursue the sciences, to use my faculties and > intelligence for reason and logic, and the study of the sciences is not > doubt. > Doubt is the lack of faith! > > > I am not sure I commented on this. It might be the heart of the matter. > > Science is only doubt. But as Descartes saw, we cannot doubt of > everything, and so, we do trust something. The more we are able to doubt, > the more we can see what remains undoubtable, and faith can build on that. > > So, those who have the faith have no problem doubting any theories, > texts, etc. The faith rises from within, and is definitely beyond words, > texts, theories, equations, etc. > > The universal machines are confronted to something similar when they > introspect themselves (in the sense of Kleene second recursion diagonal > way). > > In front of the absolute truth, science can only augment the doubt, but > without ever needing to abandon faith. > > It is the faith in the ineffable which invites the doubt on *all* the > fables. > > > So you must have faith - but not in anything in particular? I can see why > a logician would think that way; since he always wants to start from axioms > he assumes. But note the Google paper on "Knowledge Based Trust" which > tries to operationalize the coherence theory of truth. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
