LizR: "evolutionary benefit??????" if so, evolution tends to some end to achieve.
are we in the midst of pursuing some aim (goal)? Be YOU (or some smarter machine) smaart enough to find out what such final product/state/construct may be and let us jump on it! My ignorance (oops: agnosticism) only includes complexification of the available into more and more complex (if true???) results. We may not even know those complexities from the "past" history overwhelming our imagination of Cmplexity. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 7:03 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > ISTM that consciousness has an evolutionary benefit - but it could just be > that the ability to pay close attention to everything that's happening, and > to do so in an integrated manner, is of evolutionary benefit, and > consciousness is a necessary by-product of this process once it become > sufficiently advanced. Modelling other people's behaviour and hence > internal states, and modelling ones own to wonder what one might do in a > given situation, and then modelling ones behaviour that results from having > modelled one's behaviour ... at some point the feedback loops get complex > enough that it probably makes sense to "reify" the internal model of > oneself. > > (Either that or I need to drink less coffee...) > > On 9 March 2015 at 11:34, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, March 9, 2015, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 3/8/2015 1:26 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> >>>> On 8 March 2015 at 09:33, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I like Graziano's theory of consciousness. >>>>> >>>>> http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/how-consciousness-works/ >>>>> >>>>> I have generally been inclined to agree with JKC that natural selection >>>>> can't act on consciousness, only on intelligence; so consciousness is >>>>> either >>>>> a necessary byproduct of intelligence or it's a spandrel. But under >>>>> Graziano's theory it's a way of augmenting or improving intelligence >>>>> within >>>>> constraints of limited computational resources. So it would be >>>>> subject to >>>>> natural selection. It also shows how to make intelligence machines >>>>> without >>>>> consciousness (albeit less efficient ones). >>>>> >>>> Graziano equates consciousness with a model of the brain's state of >>>> attention, but why couldn't this be done by an unconscious machine? >>>> >>> >>> Because doing it makes the machine conscious. >> >> >> It might, but as presented it's begging he question. >> >> >>> It's valid as psychological theory, but it does not address the Hard >>>> Problem. That's not necessarily a bad thing - there is more to be >>>> gained from investigating the Easy Problem. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, it comports with my idea that the "hard problem" will be dissolved >>> by engineering solutions. >>> >>> Brent >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
