I don't know. JM PS did I promise to solve the problems? Telling one's opinion is a free right, even w/o being obliged to redress things. I fought against reductionists and faithfuls, now I simply speak my mind. J.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:31 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > So do you have a point, apart from "we don't know everything" ? > > On 13 March 2015 at 10:20, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Liz: the only 'nit' I am 'picking' is agnosticism in the sense that we >> like to draw conclusions on the partial image of the existence (Nature?) >> that so far transpired to us. >> If an 'evolutionary theory' includes only events when nothing goes wrong, >> (i.e.: events leading to massive extinctions OUT!) it is not what we >> should 'pick'. >> Maybe I still did not recover from my very early understanding of >> evolution when it meant (to me) to evolve towards some 'higher >> sandard/format' (or call it as you wish) and I saw it as some teleological >> aberration.. >> Your definition (thanks) still implies a 'better adoption' to some >> (still) incomplete view. >> I salute your "it's possible". >> John M >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:47 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 12 March 2015 at 14:14, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> No kidding!!!! the dinosaur and company was extinct in the midst of >>>> their utmost fittnes for survival. >>>> >>> >>> No kidding. Although I have no idea why you're making a big deal of >>> this, presumably you know all this stuff. But to recap - evolution is a >>> process through which organisms gradually become better adapted to living >>> in their environment through differential reproductive success. As I >>> mentioned, it's possible that consciousness helps increase the chances of >>> that success. Also, clearly, massive extinction events are outside the >>> purview of evolutionary theory - but so what? You appear to be nitpicking, >>> or rather not even that since so far you don't appear to have actually >>> picked any. >>> >>> >>>> (Don't even mention *ALL* the domains of fittness - we cannot know >>>> beyond the limitations of our so far achieved model of the world what ELSE >>>> may be around, so conclusions are illusorical.) >>>> >>> >>> I have no idea what you're talking about. >>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:04 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12 March 2015 at 13:52, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That sure would mean "surviving benefit" - where does the term >>>>>> "evolutionary" come from and why? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Evolution is reasonably well described as the survival of the fittest. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
