On 10 Mar 2015, at 04:01, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
> Non-materialism is not the denial of matter, it just places it as
an epiphenomenon.
it's irrelevant if mater is fundamental or not, either way it
wouldn't change the fact that a non-materialistic theory is not
falsifiable.
A non materialist theory is a non physicalist theory, mainly. To say
that matter is not fundamental, by definition, means that we have
another theory explaing matter, without assuming primary matter.
This makes automatically such a theory, if it is a scientific precise
theory, falsifiable: as it predicts physics, and you can compare that
physics, with the empirical world.
Actually, I provide a constructive example, including a program
generating all "quantum tautologies", even more than those empirically
inferred, and so the mathematically precise classical computationalism
can be tested. And up to now, it fits.
> Darwinism is a computer science theory. It works on DNA but it
also works on solutions to the travelling salesman problem.
I don't recall that Darwin solved the travelling salesman problem,
but never mind, are you trying to make the case that arithmetic is a
non materialistic theory?
> If we are living in the dream of a giant turtle, then general
relativity is a valid theory about the rules inside this dream.
And the theory that we are living in the dream of a giant turtle is
a example of a non materialistic theory that is not falsifiable, and
so is the theory that only biology can generate consciousness, and
so is the theory that God exists and created the universe but uses
all His infinite power to make sure we can never prove it.
You really should study things, and learn to say "I don't understand
how you go from this to that", instead of saying "bullshit" and things
like that. You seem to miss the point more than usual.
> the hypothesis that consciousness is an epiphenomena of matter.
That is a materialist theory,
That is incorrect. No consciousness theory is a materialist theory
because I can't measure consciousness in my lab nor can I prove what
is and what is not consciousness from logic or mathematics.
> and it's also peepee (not falsifiability, no explanatory power, no
ability to predict anything).
That is correct.
> You yourself said that you suspect that consciousness is fundamental
Yes that is my hunch, but I'll never be able to prove it's true and
you'll never be able to prove it's false, so it's not a scientific
idea, it's just a philosophical guess.
Some philosophical conjecture can become scientific, in the presence
of some hypothesis.
That is my main meta-pony, my real goal: to illustrate that philsophy
and theology have a non trivial intersection with science once we
assume that we are locally Turing emulable.
> and you yourself proclaimed to be a great admirer of evolutionary
theory.
I am indeed a great admirer of evolutionary theory; what educated
person wouldn't be?
>So you must believe that Darwinism does not depend on mater being
fundamental.
I do believe Darwinism does not depend on mater being fundamental,
but what has that to do with the fact that a non-materialistic
theory is not falsifiable?
>> A language is useless if you're the only one who knows it,
and Bruno's terms are used nowhere except on this list.
> The same is true of all technical acronyms. At some point they
were only known inside a restrict group of people.
Most technical acronyms and all unnecessary ones come from 2 groups:
1) Government bureaucrats.
2) People who want to make their dull old shallow ideas sound
exciting new and deep, the sort of people who write FPI instead of
"I don't know" or "beats me".
See my preceding post.
Bruno
John K Clark
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To post to this group, send email to [email protected].
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
