On 22 Mar 2015, at 03:23, LizR wrote:
On 21 March 2015 at 22:35, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>
wrote:
I remember a long discussion where John ended up changing his claim
that step 3 was wrong to it just being trivial. But then he still
refused to keep reading. At this point I decided he was not serious
about the issue.
Trivial is good, the argument is being developed in small steps
after all.
Yes. That is the point, and the very definition of "proof": to reduce
all step of the argument to either tautologies/axioms, or a formula
derived from axioms or already proved formula, with the use of the
inference rules. By definition, each step are trivial to verify (the
difficulty is to find them!).
But John appears to just not want to think about it, he's sure it's
wrong and he refuses to contemplate the possibility that he's wrong,
even though he's the only person who thinks he has a good argument,
or indeed any argument at all.
This reminds me of trying to argue with my son (who's 16) - he's
sure he's right and won't even think about the opposing viewpoint.
That's probably normal when you're 16, but ...
Yeah, that's when children intelligence is challenged by their coming
adulthood.
Adulthood is when you mate, and impress the partner by your
competence, and not by your "intelligence", which is almost the notion
that in Tchan, they call the beginners spirit, or infant spirit (what
the young boy or girl definitely want not to resemble for mating).
Only children and old people can appreciate. In between, we are
programmed to mate, and to come back with food and money, to kill the
preys and the predators, which requires mostly local competence, and
not so much intelligence (that is why the law "the boss is right"
still prevails).
In dark periods, the people suspected of having some intelligence
(even more if woman) were burned alive, or did have to hide
themselves, or their thinking, to survive.
The machine who believe in their own stupidity feel jealousy and hate.
The machine who believe in their own intelligence feel threatened and
fear.
Stupid machines react not well with intelligent machines. Human
history confirms this all the time, (adding to the evidence that we
might be machine at some substitution level).
We have all intelligence at the start. Competence is partially a gift,
and, on reflexive, Löbian species, it can be transmitted (by DNA,
or ... books, DVD, forum...), and developed through works and training.
Bruno
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