Another comment on the same post by Liz.
On 22 Mar 2015, at 03:23, LizR wrote:
On 21 March 2015 at 22:35, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>
wrote:
I remember a long discussion where John ended up changing his claim
that step 3 was wrong to it just being trivial. But then he still
refused to keep reading. At this point I decided he was not serious
about the issue.
Trivial is good, the argument is being developed in small steps
after all. But John appears to just not want to think about it,
No. If that was the case he would not claim having found a mistake.
he's sure it's wrong
But do you have any idea of *what* is wrong?
Do you have an idea of what J. Clark is thinking being wrong?
He does not accept the First Person Indeterminacy. What could that mean?
John Clark has meant for a period that he meant that the Helsinki bet
was "W and M".
He has eventually understood that this does not work, given the simple
definition of 1p and 3p used in the reasoning.
So his argument has oscillate between "tautological", or "the pronouns
are ambiguous".
Each time the pronouns were disambiguate, he said tautological. When
it was asked to move then to the next step, silence, or sometime
later, the pronouns were again ambiguous, and he seems to be stuck in
that circle.
Its use of insults also discourages the belief that he might have an
argument.
And as Quentin witnessed correctly imo, now he lies. Even gross lies,
like pretending that I fear that silicon brain could be intelligent
(when I explain why I think they are already intelligent when Löbian).
Bruno
and he refuses to contemplate the possibility that he's wrong, even
though he's the only person who thinks he has a good argument, or
indeed any argument at all.
This reminds me of trying to argue with my son (who's 16) - he's
sure he's right and won't even think about the opposing viewpoint.
That's probably normal when you're 16, but ...
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