On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> meekerdb wrote: > >> On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> >>> The AI that I envisage will probably be based on a learning program of >>> some sort, that will have to learn in much the same way as an infant human >>> learns. I doubt that we will ever be able to create an AI that is >>> essentially an intelligent adult human when it is first turned on. >>> >> >> I agree with that, but once an AI is realized it will be possible to copy >> it. And if it's digital it will be possible to implement it using >> different hardware. If it's not digital, it will (in principle) be able to >> implement it arbitrarily closely with a digital device. And we will have >> the same question - what is that makes that hardware device conscious? I >> don't see any plausible answer except "Running the program it instantiates." >> > > But that does not imply that consciousness is itself a computation. There > is not some subroutine in your AI the is labelled "this subroutine computes > consciousness". Consciousness is a function of the whole functioning > system, not of some particular feature. That is why I think identifying > consciousness with computation is in fact adding some additional magic to > the machine. > So you don't believe that performing the same computations that your brain does in another substrate will produce a copy of your mind? If you don't believe that, then you must believe in some unknown property of matter (magic?). If you do, then you believe that consciousness supervenes on computation. > > Consciousness arose in nature by a process of natural evolution. How do you know that? > Proto-consciousness gave some evolutionary advantage, so it grew and > developed. How do you know that? > Nature did not at some point add the fact that it was a computation, and > then it suddenly become conscious. Of course not. Nobody claims that. > Consciousness is a computation only in the trivial sense that any physical > process can be regarded as a computation, or mapping taking some input to > some output. There is not some special, magical class of computations that > are unique to consciousness. Consciousness is an evolved bulk property, not > just one specific feature of that bulk. How do you know it's evolved? Telmo. > > > Bruce > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
