Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Telmo Menezes wrote:
        On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett

        Are you seriously going to argue that homo sapiens did *not*
        arise by a process of natural selection, aka evolution?

    No, Darwinian evolution is my favourite scientific theory.

    What I am arguing is that we don't know if consciousness is an
    evolved trait. It is perfectly possible to imagine darwinian
    evolution working without consciousness, even to the human
    intelligence level (producing philosophical zombies).

    For example, if consciousness is more fundamental than matter,
    then evolution is something that happens within consciousness,
    not a generator of it.


 That is probably the strongest argument against computationalism to
 date.

How so?

So you think that Darwinian evolution produced intelligent zombies, and then computationalism infused consciousness? I think you are going to have to do better than that if you want comp to be believed by anyone with any scientific knowledge. You really are calling on dualism to explain consciousness -- the homunculus in the machine.....

Bruce

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