On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > >>> >> >>> >>> You need to stay with the referent of the word "I" >> >> >> >> >> I agree, so when describing the latest variation on the thought >> experiment why not simply do away with personal pronouns like "I" and use >> the referent instead? >> > > > > Because that's impossible. > I agree, in talking about the future in a world with duplicating machines it's impossible to express Bruno's ideas without using "I", a personal pronoun that in this context has no referent, in other words a personal pronoun that means absolutely positively nothing, zero, zilch, nada, goose egg. I n other words bruno's ideas are not wrong, they're gibberish. > > > The referent of the word 'I' is accessible only to the subject. > When talking about the future in a world with duplicating machines the personal pronoun "I" is not accessible to anyone, including the subject. > > > It makes sense to say THE first-person perspective even in duplication > scenarios > If that is true then you hasn't been duplicated when you have been duplicated . Huh? If that is true then what does the word "duplicated" even mean? > > > because none of us has access to anything else but THE first person > perspective. When you talk about *A* first-person perspective you go back > to adopting the objective stance > If it's "the" and not "a", if there is only one first person perspective then what about that other fellow? Is he just a zombie? > > > There is something it is like to go through a duplicator, and what it's > like to be duplicated in a duplicator vs a many-worlds thought experiment > is going to be the same because computationally speaking, those scenarios > are equivalent. > You keep saying that but give no reasons to think they are equivalent, I keep saying they are not equivalent but unlike you I give very detailed reasons why they are not equivalent. If you disagree with my reasons then tell me why, but don't just keep saying they're equivalent. > > > Brains are duplicated; at the moment they are duplicated they are > identical; just after, they diverge. > They could diverge immediately, but they don't have to, it depends on the environment. > > > If you were saying "yes, doctor" to save your life (even in the "yes, > doctor" scenario I proposed that involves duplication), you would be > betting that THE first-person perspective > Then if 2 copies were made only one would get THE first-person perspective , so what would the other one get? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
