On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:41 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Terren Suydam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >>>> >> >>>> >>>> they're not Helsinki man anymore. They both were, but then they diverged >>>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> Let's assume you're correct, then if the referent of the personal >>> pronoun "you" in the question "what city will you see?" is the Helsinki man >>> (and I don't know what else it could be) then the correct answer would be >>> "I will see no city whatsoever, oblivion awaits". But we both agreed that >>> "you" would survive the duplicating procedure, so your initial assumption >>> must be incorrect and the Helsinki man is still around. And because there >>> is no logical reason to favor one city over the other The Helsinki Man must >>> survive in BOTH Moscow AND Washington. QED. >>> >> >> > >> You're the one with the problem with personal pronouns. I'm not using >> them, so I'm baffled as to why you're bringing them back in. >> >> All I want is to understand what you meant > > by " > they're not Helsinki man anymore. They both were, but then they diverged > ", and to do that all I really need is to understand exactly what you > mean by "The Helsinki Man". I thought it meant somebody who remembers being > "The Helsinki Man" yesterday ,but obviously you think it means something > else and I'd just like to know what it is. > Did my car analogy not make it clear? Terren > > >> To save time I will include the standard reminder that it doesn't >> matter whether observers of either experiment would have ambiguities with >> the personal identity of the participants. >> >> But if you're describing the outcome of an experiment (thought or > otherwise) ambiguities most certainly DO matter! Otherwise it's not > science, it's not even philosophy, its more like very bad poetry. > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
