2015-10-06 16:23 GMT+02:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> John Clark agrees implicitly with the fact that a computation is not a >> physical notion, > > > No, John Clark does not agree with that. > > > >> > >> because he defines physical computation by a computation done in physics. > > > Because John Clark can find no evidence that > computation *NOT* done in physics exists, and INTEL can't find any > evidence for it either. The only reason John Clark talks about " > physical computation > " > and not just "computation" is that unlike John Clark > Bruno Marchal > thinks there is a type of computation that isn't physical. >
Then you have to define a computation *WITHOUT* using the mathematical definition of a computation.. which you've not done... > > John K Clark > > > > > > > >> On 05 Oct 2015, at 00:52, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On 1 Oct 2015, at 3:25 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> When I say "physical computation" and you demand a definition of that >>>> and when I respond with "a computation done with physics" and you demand a >>>> definition of that too then I believe it is perfectly acceptable for me to >>>> either get off the silly definition merry-go-round or to demand a >>>> definition of my own, a definition of definition. >>>> >>> >>> You are here painting yourself with a very fine brush as what you are. >>> An academic. A useless bloody argumentative broom handle-up-the-arse >>> straighto from the planet Dork. You are out to win argument only, not >>> boldly explore consequences of interesting ideas. That is beyond you; you >>> are a mental midget; the equivalent of someone who thinks its really smart >>> to shoot a giraffe or a lion and then pose for a photo against the carcass. >>> You just love it when people engage with you at all over anything at all >>> because this allows you to indulge in this very sporting activity >>> favourite. You are sick. This list might have moved on from this ridiculous >>> bottleneck years ago but for you. There used to be a lively exchange of >>> ideas going on here. >>> >> >> Academic? No need to insult people. The only thing which matters is that >> his argument are invalid. Not all academic are invalid when thinking on >> this subject, and very often non-academic can be invalid, which is normal >> as the TOE has to be highly counter-intuitive if it can manage both mind >> and matter, as the platonist understood well when creating theology, math >> and physics. >> >> Note that here John Clark agrees implicitly with the fact that a >> computation is not a physical notion, because he defines physical >> computation by a computation done in physics. So he lost the point. >> Unfortunately we can expect the usual self-deny and the handwaving. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >>> Kim >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
