On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:23, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> John Clark agrees implicitly with the fact that a computation
is not a physical notion,
No, John Clark does not agree with that.
Then your earlier explanation of what is computation in "physical
computation" is senseless.
> because he defines physical computation by a computation
done in physics.
Because John Clark can find no evidence that computation NOT
done in physics exists,
This shows that you have no knowledge of computer science and its
history. Computation and computability have been discovered by
mathematicians and they don't use any physical assumptions.
and INTEL can't find any evidence for it either.
INTEL is interested in physical computation, but they have a good idea
of what a computation is so as to implement them in a physical way.
The only reason John Clark talks about "physical computation
" and not just "computation" is that unlike John Clark
Bruno Marchal thinks there is a type of computation that isn't
physical.
It is not me. It is everybody in the field. Just open any book on that
subject. Avoid books written by physicalist metaphysician of course
(like Deutsch in FOR, for example). At least Deutsch agrees that he is
in opposition with *all* mathematicians and computer scientists on this.
Bruno
John K Clark
On 05 Oct 2015, at 00:52, Kim Jones wrote:
On 1 Oct 2015, at 3:25 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
When I say "physical computation" and you demand a definition of
that and when I respond with "a computation done with physics" and
you demand a definition of that too then I believe it is perfectly
acceptable for me to either get off the silly definition merry-go-
round or to demand a definition of my own, a definition of definition.
You are here painting yourself with a very fine brush as what you
are. An academic. A useless bloody argumentative broom handle-up-the-
arse straighto from the planet Dork. You are out to win argument
only, not boldly explore consequences of interesting ideas. That is
beyond you; you are a mental midget; the equivalent of someone who
thinks its really smart to shoot a giraffe or a lion and then pose
for a photo against the carcass. You just love it when people engage
with you at all over anything at all because this allows you to
indulge in this very sporting activity favourite. You are sick. This
list might have moved on from this ridiculous bottleneck years ago
but for you. There used to be a lively exchange of ideas going on
here.
Academic? No need to insult people. The only thing which matters is
that his argument are invalid. Not all academic are invalid when
thinking on this subject, and very often non-academic can be
invalid, which is normal as the TOE has to be highly counter-
intuitive if it can manage both mind and matter, as the platonist
understood well when creating theology, math and physics.
Note that here John Clark agrees implicitly with the fact that a
computation is not a physical notion, because he defines physical
computation by a computation done in physics. So he lost the point.
Unfortunately we can expect the usual self-deny and the handwaving.
Bruno
Kim
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