2015-10-27 7:44 GMT+01:00 Brent Meeker <[email protected]>: > > > On 10/26/2015 3:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:44:28AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> On 10/26/2015 2:43 AM, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>> Assuming computationalism, our everyday experience _is_ internal to the >>>> system. That doesn't make it any less meaningful. >>>> >>> I think that's a confusion. The system is the universe with it's >>> physics. So in a sense everything is internal to it. But >>> experience is individual and it's meaningful because the individual >>> has values and memory and so incorporates experiences into decisions >>> about future actions...that's what constitutes giving them >>> semantics. >>> >>> Hi Brent, I appreciate your point of view very much, but I fail to see >> how what you say is incompatible with my claim. Where is the >> confusion? >> > > I think our everyday experience is given meaning as referring to things > outside ourselves. So it's not internal to "the system" that is the > experiencer. It is only because the observer is distinct from the rest of > the world that he can form meaningful symbolic representations of it. > > >> The only clarification I would make is that (with computationalism) >> the system is formal, but the observer (individual in your >> terminology) and environment (universe with its physics in your >> terminology) are a non formal partition of the system. >> > > I'm not sure what you mean by non-formal partition. If your brain is > replaced by a I/O functionally equivalent digital computer it will still be > in an environment and will have internal representations that refer to the > environment.
In a computer... an io, is just a memory location... as anything else is... that the value of that memory location reflect or not an external world... doesn't change anything from the POV of the program reading it... so as the meaning must somehow be internal to the program as to what that value at that memory location means for it. Quentin > > > Brent > > >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
