On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Giuseppe Peano >> did not have >> a brain made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics >> ?! Was he headless or just brainless? Perhaps Giuseppe's mother had the >> Zika virus when she was pregnant. >> > > > > I mean that there are zero evidence that his brain is made of primary > matter. Easy: there are no evidence at for primary matter. > Who cares? I maintain that matter is needed to produce both intelligence and consciousness, it's irrelevant if matter is primary or not. > > > PA proves ~(2+3= 7), without any need of primary matter. > Who has Mr. PA proven that to? > >> >> if Michelangelo had just displayed a huge block of natural marble and >> said David was inside few would say he was a great artist. > > > > > The analogy is misleading. A marble is a not a digital machine, nor an > effective theory, for which the presence theorem-hood in an arithmetical > property. > Michelangelo was able to differentiate between marble that was David from marble that was not David ; and Giuseppe Peano was able to differentiate between true mathematical statements and false mathematical statements . And both Michelangelo and Giuseppe Peano had brains made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics. >> >> A machine made of matter that obeys the laws of physics can correctly >> inform John Clark that >> >> 2 >> ^ >> 57,885,161 − 1 >> is prime, >> > > > > I doubt this, > Do you doubt that 2^57,885,161 − 1 is prime or do you doubt that John Clark was informed that 2^57,885,161 − 1 is prime? > > > but even if true, that would only shows that JC needs a physical > implementation to get a physical result, > It shows that a *CONSCIOUS* being named John Clark who has a brain made of matter that obeys the laws of physics needs a physical implementation to be *CONSCIOUS* of the fact that 2 ^ 57,885,161 − 1 is prime. > > A digital machine is not made of anything > If it's not made of matter that obeys the laws of physics then that digital machine will never change, and that means it will never do anything. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
