JKC wrote: " Giuseppe Peano did not have a brain made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics ?! Was he headless or just brainless? Perhaps Giuseppe's mother had the Zika virus when she was pregnant.
Physical sciences - so far - never explained the MENTAL activity assigned to brains (guts?) - the physical measurements simply ASSUMED some neuronal activity "translated" into mental processes. In the 'physical] view Peano did have indeed a head and brains and certain measurements could be assigned to the mental activity experienced by such. Try to trace the topical output by the lab-results. WHERE (if it is a localizable concept) and HOW (if it is subject to ANY of our physical conundrums) such mentality was performed is still unknown. Similarly the 'connectivity' between a physically 'headed' and 'brained' person - his ideas and topical conclusions - are beyond our present physiological - physical data. John Mikes On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:09 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > >> >>> Giuseppe Peano >>> did not have >>> a brain made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics >>> ?! Was he headless or just brainless? Perhaps Giuseppe's mother had >>> the Zika virus when she was pregnant. >>> >> >> > >> I mean that there are zero evidence that his brain is made of primary >> matter. Easy: there are no evidence at for primary matter. >> > > Who cares? I maintain that matter is needed to produce both intelligence > and consciousness, it's irrelevant if matter is primary or not. > > > >> > >> PA proves ~(2+3= 7), without any need of primary matter. >> > > Who has Mr. PA proven that to? > > >> >> >>> if Michelangelo had just displayed a huge block of natural marble and >>> said David was inside few would say he was a great artist. >> >> >> > >> The analogy is misleading. A marble is a not a digital machine, nor an >> effective theory, for which the presence theorem-hood in an arithmetical >> property. >> > > Michelangelo > > was able to differentiate > between > marble that was David from marble that was not David > ; > and Giuseppe Peano > was able to > differentiate > between true mathematical statements and false > mathematical statements > . And both > Michelangelo > and > Giuseppe Peano > had brains made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics. > > > >> >>> A machine made of matter that obeys the laws of physics can correctly >>> inform John Clark that >>> >>> 2 >>> ^ >>> 57,885,161 − 1 >>> is prime, >>> >> >> > >> I doubt this, >> > > Do you doubt that 2^57,885,161 − 1 is prime or do you doubt that John > Clark was informed that 2^57,885,161 − 1 is prime? > > >> > >> but even if true, that would only shows that JC needs a physical >> implementation to get a physical result, >> > > It shows that a *CONSCIOUS* being named John Clark who has a brain made > of matter that obeys the laws of physics needs a > physical implementation > to be *CONSCIOUS* of the fact that > 2 > ^ > 57,885,161 − 1 > > is prime. > > > >> A digital machine is not made of anything >> > > If it's not made of matter that obeys the laws of physics then that > digital machine > will never change, and that means it will never do anything. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
