JKC wrote: " Giuseppe Peano did not have a brain made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics ?! Was he headless or just brainless? Perhaps Giuseppe's mother had the Zika virus when she was pregnant.
Physical sciences - so far - never explained the MENTAL activity assigned to brains (guts?) - the physical measurements simply ASSUMED some neuronal activity "translated" into mental processes. In the 'physical] view Peano did have indeed a head and brains and certain measurements could be assigned to the mental activity experienced by such. Try to trace the topical output by the lab-results. WHERE (if it is a localizable concept) and HOW (if it is subject to ANY of our physical conundrums) such mentality was performed is still unknown. Similarly the 'connectivity' between a physically 'headed' and 'brained' person - his ideas and topical conclusions - are beyond our present physiological - physical data. John Mikes On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:09 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>> Giuseppe Peano >>> did not have >>> a brain made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics >>> ?! Was he headless or just brainless? Perhaps Giuseppe's mother had >>> the Zika virus when she was pregnant. >>> >> >> > >> I mean that there are zero evidence that his brain is made of primary >> matter. Easy: there are no evidence at for primary matter. >> > > Who cares? I maintain that matter is needed to produce both intelligence > and consciousness, it's irrelevant if matter is primary or not. > > > >> > >> PA proves ~(2+3= 7), without any need of primary matter. >> > > Who has Mr. PA proven that to? > > >> >> >>> if Michelangelo had just displayed a huge block of natural marble and >>> said David was inside few would say he was a great artist. >> >> >> > >> The analogy is misleading. A marble is a not a digital machine, nor an >> effective theory, for which the presence theorem-hood in an arithmetical >> property. >> > > Michelangelo > > was able to differentiate > between > marble that was David from marble that was not David > ; > and Giuseppe Peano > was able to > differentiate > between true mathematical statements and false > mathematical statements > . And both > Michelangelo > and > Giuseppe Peano > had brains made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics. > > > >> >>> A machine made of matter that obeys the laws of physics can correctly >>> inform John Clark that >>> >>> 2 >>> ^ >>> 57,885,161 − 1 >>> is prime, >>> >> >> > >> I doubt this, >> > > Do you doubt that 2^57,885,161 − 1 is prime or do you doubt that John > Clark was informed that 2^57,885,161 − 1 is prime? > > >> > >> but even if true, that would only shows that JC needs a physical >> implementation to get a physical result, >> > > It shows that a *CONSCIOUS* being named John Clark who has a brain made > of matter that obeys the laws of physics needs a > physical implementation > to be *CONSCIOUS* of the fact that > 2 > ^ > 57,885,161 − 1 > > is prime. > > > >> A digital machine is not made of anything >> > > If it's not made of matter that obeys the laws of physics then that > digital machine > will never change, and that means it will never do anything. > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
