Dear Samiya (I do not reflect on Brent's remarks, only on topics addressed to me):
I have no *DEFINITION* for life, I have a vague belief, almost as vague as your suggestions from Quran-verses. My agnostic belief (picture of the existence including ourselves) is based on the "Entirety" (Totality, World, etc.) as an* infinite complexity* of them all, of which we have (ever had) access only to a tiny little fraction and that, too, in a way adjusted to our (then - now?) mental capabilities. In this view everything is related (?) to everything in ways of which we know only some, but all relations are actively influencing each other. All of them - in various vividity. My interest of such components (terms?) tried to be widened and generalized into known, unknown, even unknowable domains (?) without the restrictions of the *human* environment. I did that with "consiousness" as well. What I came up with as 'life' (very close to MY -extended consciousness - as defined earlier - as *"response to relations"*) is *CHANGE* as a/effected by the outcome of the effect of various strength and influences of the unlimited and unspecified combination of processes on the items we point to. On whatever, by whatever - in our widest existing knowledge base. Of course humans of terrestrial interest prefer to visualize only terrestrial life, among them animal - preferably HUMAN life and the group as defined in this same interest-circle as biological (C-H-O based) processes of humans. It does not restrict the total scope of life (Cc) - only the *view* we humans apply. I mentioned that a hint to the Creation and Maintenance of the Entirety looks like being such infinite complexity the origin of which is not (yet?) aproached. Early developmental levels of humanoid mentality personnified such factor into God(s) of diverse stature and activity and used such tribal superstitions for upholding the leaders' power. What most religions still do. Those 'early developmental levels' and their follow-up 'religions' - even up to the present day - have no hint towards believeng such personnification, no verification for 'messengers' or 'scribes', no support to aid a belief of the stories described/told. On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote: > Brent & John M, > > I do not know if any tests have been performed specifically to measure if > some of the loss of mass during sleep is regained upon waking up. Neither > do I know what physical substance the NAFS is made of, nor if it can be > measured as a loss/regain of weight. After all, we can neither observe nor > measure the angels and jinns and whatever else may exist in the Shadow > Biosphere. > > Yes, the body-machine does keep running (I think I mentioned it in my > previous post as well). I guess, it does appear from the little that we > know, that the 'awake' thoughts and actions are what we are accountable > for. > > Presently, I cannot explain the phenomenon any further, I simply take it > on faith. The reason I shared it was because you were asking what life > meant. > > Do you have a definition for life? > > Samiya > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Brent, as I recall the 21 g was "the weight of life" - not sleep. And not >> ALL outlets were sealed for the weighings. >> >> To Samiya: >> "NAFS is a physical object" means it is part of the observable physical >> measurements we carry today, or 1500 years ago? is it composed of the >> 'atoms' of our present physical illusions? furthermore are only "wake" body >> functions included in NAFS, because intestinal functions do not stop when >> sleeping, air intake is undisturbed, saliva is running, dreams are pressing >> and - most important - an alarm clock, or a kiss wakes you up (does it >> bring your NAFS back from Allah?) I just try to understand - and follow - >> your words. >> JM >> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 4/4/2016 7:41 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: >>> >>>> From the little that I understand yet, NAFS is a physical object. Sleep >>>> is a sort of a brief-death, in which the body-machine is still running. It >>>> states in the Quran that God takes the NAFS of all when they sleep, and >>>> those upon whom death is decreed, their NAFS is not returned. >>>> >>> >>> OK, something obviously testable. All we have to do is measure the >>> weight change of a person as he falls asleep and as he wakes up and we will >>> know the weight of the naf. Of course such a simple test I'm sure it has >>> already been performed by Islamic scientists, interested as they are in >>> truth. Where is the experiment reported? 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