On 06 Apr 2016, at 02:13, Samiya Illias wrote:
Brent & John M,
I do not know if any tests have been performed specifically to
measure if some of the loss of mass during sleep is regained upon
waking up. Neither do I know what physical substance the NAFS is
made of, nor if it can be measured as a loss/regain of weight. After
all, we can neither observe nor measure the angels and jinns and
whatever else may exist in the Shadow Biosphere.
Yes, the body-machine does keep running (I think I mentioned it in
my previous post as well). I guess, it does appear from the little
that we know, that the 'awake' thoughts and actions are what we are
accountable for.
Presently, I cannot explain the phenomenon any further, I simply
take it on faith. The reason I shared it was because you were asking
what life meant.
NAFS, or soul, or the mind seen by the first person view, is the only
thing that we can be sure of, without any act of faith. You need faith
for anything not NAFS, like a body, a god, or even a number relation
(although some would debate this, and somehow, elementary mathematics
needs not much faith).
Do you have a definition for life?
Whatever can reproduce itself relatively to some universal numbers.
example: pack of cigarettes, which have a complex reproduction system,
involving human brains, ...
Bruno
Samiya
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:39 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
Brent, as I recall the 21 g was "the weight of life" - not sleep.
And not ALL outlets were sealed for the weighings.
To Samiya:
"NAFS is a physical object" means it is part of the observable
physical measurements we carry today, or 1500 years ago? is it
composed of the 'atoms' of our present physical illusions?
furthermore are only "wake" body functions included in NAFS, because
intestinal functions do not stop when sleeping, air intake is
undisturbed, saliva is running, dreams are pressing and - most
important - an alarm clock, or a kiss wakes you up (does it bring
your NAFS back from Allah?) I just try to understand - and follow -
your words.
JM
On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/4/2016 7:41 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
From the little that I understand yet, NAFS is a physical object.
Sleep is a sort of a brief-death, in which the body-machine is still
running. It states in the Quran that God takes the NAFS of all when
they sleep, and those upon whom death is decreed, their NAFS is not
returned.
OK, something obviously testable. All we have to do is measure the
weight change of a person as he falls asleep and as he wakes up and
we will know the weight of the naf. Of course such a simple test
I'm sure it has already been performed by Islamic scientists,
interested as they are in truth. Where is the experiment reported?
Was the weight 21g?
Brent
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