On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The general consensus that QM is not local applies to QM+collapse, or > QM+one-world. We know that this needs spooky action at a distance since > Einstein Podolski Rosen. Bell made this clear and testable Yes, bell proposed a way to test that and the experiment was later performed, so now we know empirically that from any viewpoint that can exist if things are non-local then things are either: 1) Not realistic (those who like pomposity can call it " counterfactual definiteness ") 2) Not deterministic 3) Not either It's true that from a point of view that can NOT exist, like the viewpoint of somebody standing outside of the multiverse looking back in at it, all 3 of those attributes, locality determinism and realism, can exist together; but as I said that is a viewpoint that can not exist . So I find that no more remarkable than saying if 2+2=5 then 2+2+2=7. >From the viewpoint of any observer anywhere in the multiverse ( in other words from any possible observer) determinism locality and realism cannot all be true, at least one must be wrong. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
