> On 20-May-2016, at 1:34 am, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Samiya, > you were kind enough to post additional verses from the Quran and ask at the > end: > "Hope the above helps." > Not really, at least not me. Now I know that "soul" (whatever that may be) is > NAFS in Arabic and the 3 versions of it are the 3 versions of SELF (called > again in Arabic). > > I wrote: "I hope you are not caught within the terrestrial trap of C-based > BIO cop-outs." - you went into an earlier stage and invoked WATER as > "... all LIFE contains water as an essential component: ..." > when I tried to free the 'life' concept even from more than just water: > "... the terrestrial trap of C-based BIO cop-outs. " > > I tried to generalize the concepts we use and not restrict them into our > ancient and narrow views. > Verses of a text of one and a half millennia ago are not the ones I want to > substitute for a worldview evolved over the past (last?) era in our (and I > admit: sometimes questionable) search for explantions beyond the little we > think we have about the (already known?) portion of the infinite complexity: > WORLD. > > Your ancient words are not pointing forwards for me. I am agnostic and take > it as my fate. I have very little time (if any) to improve.
All you need to do is ask God for help. He turns in forgiveness to all who sincerely turn to Him. > > Thanks for taking me seriously As the progeny of Adam, we are all one family! Samiya > > John Mikes > > > > >> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Fourth State of Water >> http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.167802 >> >> http://www.gizmag.com/fourth-state-of-water/42999/ >> >>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> Based upon my reading of the Quran so far, I would consider LIFE or ALIVE >>> to be that which contains a NAFS. >>> >>> NAFS >>> From the little that I understand yet, NAFS is a physical object. Sleep is >>> a sort of a brief-death, in which the body-machine is still running. It >>> states in the Quran that God takes the NAFS of all when they sleep, and >>> those upon whom death is decreed, their NAFS is not returned. >>> The NAFS has the ability to suggest, and three forms have been described in >>> the Quran: >>> The NAFS-e-AMMARRA is the SELF which urges us to evil >>> [http://islamawakened.com/quran/12/53/] >>> The NAFS-e-LAWAMMA is the SELF which we speak of as our conscience >>> [http://islamawakened.com/quran/75/2/] >>> The NAFS-e-MUTMAINNA is the SELF who's conscience is clear and is satisfied >>> and contented with God, and God is pleased with this SELF. >>> [http://islamawakened.com/quran/89/27/] >>> >>> [Quran 50:16-18, Translator: Sahih International] And We have already >>> created man and know what his soul* whispers to him, and We are closer to >>> him than [his] jugular vein When the two receivers receive, seated on the >>> right and on the left. Man does not utter any word except that with him is >>> an observer prepared [to record]. >>> * soul= the Arabic word used in the verse is NAFS >>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=50 >>> >>> DEATH & RECORD >>> The longer death, which we believe will end upon resurrection, occurs when >>> the Angel(s) of Death extracts the thing which contains our entire recorded >>> life-data from our neck, as mentioned in the following verses: >>> >>> [Al-Qur’an 17:13-15, translator: Sahih International] And [for] every >>> person We have imposed his fate upon his neck, and We will produce for him >>> on the Day of Resurrection a record which he will encounter spread open. >>> [It will be said], "Read your record. Sufficient is yourself against you >>> this Day as accountant.” Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit >>> of] his soul*. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of >>> burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We >>> sent a messenger. >>> * soul= the Arabic word used in the verse is NAFS >>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=17 >>> >>> [Al-Qur’an 56:83-87, translator: Literal (word by word)] Then why not when >>> it reaches the throat, And you (at) that time look on, And We (are) nearer >>> to him than you but you (do) not see, Then why not, if you are not to be >>> recompensed, Bring it back, if you are truthful. >>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/56/83/ >>> >>> >>> ALTERNATE BIOCHEMISTRY >>> Of course, LIFE is or will be more than carbon-based. I've tried to >>> understand the following verse in this blogpost Alternate Biochemistry >>> [http://signsandscience.blogspot.ca/2015/03/alternate-biochemistry.html]: >>> [Al-Qur’an 56:60-62, translator: Sahih International] We have decreed death >>> among you, and We are not to be outdone In that We will change your >>> likenesses and produce you in that [form] which you do not know. And you >>> have already known the first creation, so will you not remember? >>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=56 >>> >>> However, all LIFE contains water as an essential component: >>> Do not see those who disbelieved that the heavens and the earth were a >>> joined entity, then We parted them and We made from [the] water every >>> living thing? Then will not they believe? >>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/21/30/ >>> >>> And present to them the example (of) the life (of) the world, like water >>> which We send down from the sky, then mingles with it (the) vegetation (of) >>> the earth then becomes dry stalks, it (is) scattered (by) the winds. And >>> Allah over every thing (is) All Able. >>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/18/45/ >>> >>> I think that similar to the way we use electricity to code, record and >>> transfer, water serves the same purpose in creation. There is emerging >>> research in the properties of water, such as memory. This field of study is >>> termed Digital Biology. I think our understanding will be radically changed >>> once we begin to understand what all can be done with water. >>> >>> Hope the above helps. >>> Samiya >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:53 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> In addition to the "topic" of this note I do not ask about the ORIGIN of >>>> life as posted, rather ask about an identification what YOU would consider >>>> "LIFE"???? >>>> I hope you are not caught within the terrestrial trap of C-based BIO >>>> cop-outs. >>>> (Nor the tribal superstition assigned reply about "a gift of God"). >>>> >>>> I would prefer (really?) a reply like "CHANGE (whatever), effectuated by >>>> Cc (consciousness, what I define as RESPONSE to RELATIONS, whatever - and >>>> in what respect they may arise). I would not restrict either Life, nor Cc >>>> to the (humanly) physically described world and have a hard time to >>>> separate the two terms. >>>> We have but a tiny insight into the infinite complexity (Entirety) so we >>>> have no idea - as per now - what domains and what 'relations' may come >>>> into play. >>>> I do not propose my thoughts to be accepted and do not want to argue FOR >>>> them at present. >>>> >>>> I am seeking a reply (correction, addition, negative reply, etc.) which >>>> then I can use to the betterment of my thinking. >>>> >>>> John Mikes >>>> >>>> We have but a ti >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 3/27/2016 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote: >>>>>> But the question I really want an answer to is why faith is considered >>>>>> by God, or by anyone for that matter, to be a virtue and not a vice. >>>>> >>>>> Why would a leader teach that unthinking faith in his goodness and >>>>> knowledge is a virtue? 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