On 26 Mar 2016, at 00:43, Samiya Illias wrote:
I wrote earlier:
God is truly Great and Almighty. He is the Originator and Creator of
Everything and Everyone. He is the Sustainer. Everyone and
everything depends upon Him.
When a creation pretends to not need God, and desires to exalt
itself, then this arrogance is naturally stupid and undesirable.
We need to realise and understand the clear difference between
Creator and Creation, Independent and Dependent, Mighty and Weak, He
who is not fed and those who need to be fed, and so on...
Those who realise and understand the difference know that no matter
how mighty God has made them, they are still in need of God for
everything, including sustaining whatever might and power they have
been bestowed with. Hence they humble themselves in front of God,
and God loves those who humble themselves, simply because they are
in truth testifying to the reality of the situation.
The problem is that you do not seem to humble yourself by declaring
that some sacred text are better than other.
Sacred text can help when taken as parables but can become an handicap
when taken literally.
The Milk of the Glass of Milk might be such that it tastes blissfully
good when you discover it by yourself but yet turns into a toxic
poison when enforced or perhaps even just publicized too much.
The things which transcend us has no name (like truth) and no
representation (like the knower) so it is an handicap to give any
importance to any finite set of symbols attach to it.
There is something infinitely more spiritually deep than a sacred
text. It is: two sacred texts. And the more the better.
Then a case can be done that the glass of milk is generous and has
given natural non toxic way to learn things about the relations
between text/representation and the divine, transcendant reality.
There are many path to Allah, the God, the Glass of Milk, the
<whatever name of the one without name or description>, and they are
almost all good, except the path with people claiming only their path
is the correct one, because that is a symptom of lack of humility and
of lack of faith in the Big Glass.
We already suffer in occident from 1500 years of Pro-Aristotelian
argument of authority in the field, and you seem to defend the
Aristotelian theology which is what our humble recent discovery is
adding some doubt on, something still more hidden or ignored.
There might be no Creator and no Creation, but a universal dreamer
lost in a web of dreams and sometimes lucid or awaken. Well that is
close to some (rational) mystic, and to what the universal machine,
when knowing that they are universal, can see by themselves. And it is
testable, at least in its more formal classical version (with the
knower definition are taken from the Antic Greeks).
What would be your attitude if the canonical theology of the universal
machine is closer to the sufi, or to Ibn Arabi than to the current
Aristotelian interpretation of the Quran? Would you be happy, as that
re-intepretation of the Quran would ensure that it can survive our
mechanist expansion in the galaxy, and the postranshumanist
transition; or would you declare that only the aristotelian
interpretation of the Quran is correct and declare that all machine or
transhumans with obedience to an Aristotelian creator are infidels?
That idea that we have to obey to the big One might not made sense, at
least to me. That would put us in a double bind.
The Glass of Milk might do thing(s) leading to our love, but love can
never been enforced. It comes from the heart, or not, and always with
some reason (even if of the order of qualia or first person experience
and as such usually not communicable/justfiable).
Bruno
Samiya
On 26-Mar-2016, at 2:32 am, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/25/2016 3:35 PM, John Clark wrote:
But please explain again how the Islamic God differs morally from
the Islamic Devil. Neither Satan nor Lord Voldemort ever
did anything nearly as evil as the stuff God does in the Bible and
the Quran.
C'mon John. You know Samiya can't do that. Samiya is scared
shitless of Allah and is obviously fearful that anything but the
most profuse praise and extravagant declarations of absolute faith
and joyful acceptance of his intellectual debasement will get him
tortured forever.
Brent
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