Dear Samiya,
you were kind enough to post additional verses from the Quran and ask at
the end:
*"Hope the above helps."*
Not really, at least not me. Now I know that "soul" (whatever that may be)
is NAFS in Arabic and the 3 versions of it are the 3 versions of SELF
(called again in Arabic).
I wrote: "I hope you are not caught within the terrestrial trap of C-based
BIO cop-outs." - you went into an earlier stage and invoked WATER as
*"... all LIFE contains water as an essential component: ..."*
when I tried to free the 'life' concept even from more than just water:
"... the terrestrial trap of C-based BIO cop-outs. "
I tried to generalize the concepts we use and not restrict them into our
ancient and narrow views.
Verses of a text of one and a half millennia ago are not the ones I want to
substitute for a worldview evolved over the past (last?) era in our (and I
admit: sometimes questionable) search for explantions beyond the little we
think we have about the (already known?) portion of the infinite
complexity: WORLD.
Your ancient words are not pointing forwards for me. I am agnostic and take
it as my fate. I have very little time (if any) to improve.
Thanks for taking me seriously
John Mikes
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Fourth State of Water
> http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.167802
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/fourth-state-of-water/42999/
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Based upon my reading of the Quran so far, I would consider LIFE or ALIVE
>> to be that which contains a NAFS.
>>
>> *NAFS*
>> From the little that I understand yet, NAFS is a physical object. Sleep
>> is a sort of a brief-death, in which the body-machine is still running. It
>> states in the Quran that God takes the NAFS of all when they sleep, and
>> those upon whom death is decreed, their NAFS is not returned.
>> The NAFS has the ability to suggest, and three forms have been described
>> in the Quran:
>> The NAFS-e-AMMARRA is the SELF which urges us to evil [
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/12/53/]
>> The NAFS-e-LAWAMMA is the SELF which we speak of as our conscience [
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/75/2/]
>> The NAFS-e-MUTMAINNA is the SELF who's conscience is clear and is
>> satisfied and contented with God, and God is pleased with this SELF. [
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/89/27/]
>>
>> [Quran 50:16-18, Translator: Sahih International] And We have already
>> created man and know what his soul* whispers to him, and We are closer to
>> him than [his] jugular vein When the two receivers receive, seated on the
>> right and on the left. Man does not utter any word except that with him is
>> an observer prepared [to record].
>> * soul= the Arabic word used in the verse is NAFS
>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=50
>>
>> *DEATH & RECORD *
>> The longer death, which we believe will end upon resurrection, occurs
>> when the Angel(s) of Death extracts the thing which contains our entire
>> recorded life-data from our neck, as mentioned in the following verses:
>>
>> [Al-Qur’an 17:13-15, translator: Sahih International] And [for] every
>> person We have imposed his fate upon his neck, and We will produce for him
>> on the Day of Resurrection a record which he will encounter spread open.
>> [It will be said], "Read your record. Sufficient is yourself against you
>> this Day as accountant.” Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit
>> of] his soul*. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of
>> burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We
>> sent a messenger.
>> * soul= the Arabic word used in the verse is NAFS
>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=17
>>
>> [Al-Qur’an 56:83-87, translator: Literal (word by word)] Then why not
>> when it reaches the throat, And you (at) that time look on, And We (are)
>> nearer to him than you but you (do) not see, Then why not, if you are not
>> to be recompensed, Bring it back, if you are truthful.
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/56/83/
>>
>>
>> *ALTERNATE BIOCHEMISTRY *
>> Of course, LIFE is or will be more than carbon-based. I've tried to
>> understand the following verse in this blogpost Alternate Biochemistry [
>> http://signsandscience.blogspot.ca/2015/03/alternate-biochemistry.html]:
>> [Al-Qur’an 56:60-62, translator: Sahih International] We have decreed
>> death among you, and We are not to be outdone In that We will change your
>> likenesses and produce you in that [form] which you do not know. And you
>> have already known the first creation, so will you not remember?
>> http://searchtruth.com/chapter_display_all.php?chapter=56
>>
>> However, all LIFE contains water as an essential component:
>> Do not see those who disbelieved that the heavens and the earth were a
>> joined entity, then We parted them and We made from [the] water every
>> living thing? Then will not they believe?
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/21/30/
>>
>> And present to them the example (of) the life (of) the world, like water
>> which We send down from the sky, then mingles with it (the) vegetation (of)
>> the earth then becomes dry stalks, it (is) scattered (by) the winds. And
>> Allah over every thing (is) All Able.
>> http://islamawakened.com/quran/18/45/
>>
>> I think that similar to the way we use electricity to code, record and
>> transfer, water serves the same purpose in creation. There is emerging
>> research in the properties of water, such as memory. This field of study is
>> termed Digital Biology. I think our understanding will be radically changed
>> once we begin to understand what all can be done with water.
>>
>> Hope the above helps.
>> Samiya
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:53 PM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to the "topic" of this note I do not ask about the ORIGIN of
>>> life as posted, rather ask about an identification what YOU would consider
>>> * "LIFE"????*
>>> I hope you are not caught within the terrestrial trap of C-based BIO
>>> cop-outs.
>>> (Nor the tribal superstition assigned reply about "a gift of God").
>>>
>>> I would prefer (really?) a reply like* "CHANGE* (whatever), effectuated
>>> by Cc (consciousness, what I define as RESPONSE to RELATIONS, whatever -
>>> and in what respect they may arise). I would not restrict either Life, nor
>>> Cc to the (humanly) physically described world and have a hard time to
>>> separate the two terms.
>>> We have but a tiny insight into the infinite complexity (Entirety) so we
>>> have no idea - as per now - what domains and what 'relations' may come
>>> into play.
>>> I do not propose my thoughts to be accepted and do not want to argue FOR
>>> them at present.
>>>
>>> I am seeking a reply (correction, addition, negative reply, etc.) which
>>> then I can use to the betterment of my thinking.
>>>
>>> John Mikes
>>>
>>> We have but a ti
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2016 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But the question I really want an answer to is why faith is considered
>>>> by God, or by anyone for that matter, to be a virtue and not a vice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would a leader teach that unthinking faith in his goodness and
>>>> knowledge is a virtue? Hmmm...the answers right on the tip of my
>>>> tongue....
>>>>
>>>> Brent
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