On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > > It states in the Quran that God has created us to worship him >
Wow, what sounds like a really sordid reason to me! God, an a infinite omniscient omnipotent being, created the universe just so He could have toadies around to constantly flatter Him. The only logical reason so say good things about a god like that is that he will torture you if you don't, and that's exactly the same reason the French said good things about the Nazis when they occupied their country. > > The word worship includes reverence, adoration and loving obedience. > And God tells His toadies that they sure as Hell had better love Him because if they don't love Him then He will torture them for eternity. And the beatings will continue until morale improves > > > > rationality has to do with the mind, while faith has to do with feelings > and attitudes. So if your feelings and attitudes are rational then religion is not required, but if they're not then it is. > > > Knowing/acknowledging that God exists is not the same as being grateful to > God for life > Nor is it the same as being grateful to God for threatening to torture us, for not a million nor a billion but for a INFINITE number of years, if we take one single step out of line. Let me ask you something, other than the fact that God won the civil war in heaven and The Devil lost it (and of course the winner gets to write history) how does the morality of God as depicted in the Quran differ from the morality of The Devil as depicted in the Quran? And don't tell me it's that The Devil opposes God because God behaves similarly, God opposes The Devil. Between the two adversaries what is it that makes you think that God occupy the moral high ground, is it just that God won the war and The Devil lost? Does might make right? > > lovingly doing whatever duty you're assigned to do. > > It is about being glad about it and happy to do it! And the reason you're happy to do what God says is that if you don't do it, and you don't do it happily, then God, who loves you very much, will start to torture you with all His infinite skill in the art of torture and He will NEVER EVER STOP; so you'd better paste a big smile on your face no matter what that monster orders you to do. But please explain again how the Islamic God differs morally from the Islamic Devil. Neither Satan nor Lord Voldemort ever did anything nearly as evil as the stuff God does in the Bible and the Quran. > > > A verse specifically mentions that as Allah created the seven Heavens, > The term "seven heavens" refers to the seven heavenly bodies the move against the fixed start, the sun, the moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The Quran make no mention of Uranus or Neptune nor any of the exoplanets, apparently Allah's vision is no better than our own and He did not have access to a telescope. > > Two verses inform us that a Day can be of any length and varies from > measure to measure. > Then, because the word "day" can mean anything, whenever that very silly book says "God made X in Y days" we have received precisely ZERO bits of information. It means nothing, it's just Allah making noise. > > > Allah knows best! > I see no evidence of that. Allah didn't know that He should have sent h i s first draft of the Quran to a good editor that would cut out the meaningless blab about "days" and improve the book enough so it wouldn't make the story of Santa Claws look like a tale of gritty realism. >> >> Quran 70: 4 it says: >> *"The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof >> is Fifty thousands years."* >> > > > > This verse is speaking of time taken to travel from Earth. We measure > distance in terms of light years. However, we do not know at what speed do > the angels and the Spirit travel > . > And that ridiculous book doesn't say if it refers to the time perceived by the moving angel or the time as perceived by those on the Earth, no doubt because the ignorant bronze age humans who wrote the Quran didn't know there was a difference. If a angel has a nonzero rest mass then it is limited by the speed of light and subjected to time dilation, so a day could any finite amount of time. But if the angel has a zero rest mass then he could reach the speed of light and then time would come to a complete standstill for the angel and a "day" would be infinitely long.. > > So, while our knowledge is limited, we must take this also on faith. > Why MUST we take it on faith? I'd rather take it for what it is, a load of crap. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
