On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Chalmers' enunciation of the problem assumes a physical universe > (= making it primitive). That is why, well that's one reason why, you're so very very confused; the existence of the the physical universe does *not* imply that physics must be primitive (although it could be) anymore than the existence of molecules implies that molecules must be primitive. > > I do think that when we assume mechanism [blah blah] Nobody needs to assume mechanism because it can be demonstrated. > your step-3 confusion. If one isn't confused by gibberish then one doesn't have critical thinking skills. > Calculation have been defined mathematically, And a definition can't calculate one damn thing; never has never will. > You seem to introduce an invisible God (matter, the atoms, ...) Unlike God matter and atoms are *NOT invisible*. If you insist on changing the language and calling matter "God" then you're going to have to invent a new work for a *invisible* conscious person who created the universe, but such a word game is not science or mathematics or even philosophy, it's just silly. > > to decide what is real or not. Well, perform one calculation without using matter and the laws of physics and I'll stop believing in that "God". Just add 2+2, that's all I ask. > >> you use mechanism every time you decide to scratch your nose. > > > No. I scratched my nose a long time before I assumed mechanism. Of course, mechanism doesn't give a damn if you think it exists or not, it just keeps doing its thing regardless, and when the nerves from your brain tell the muscles in your arm to scratch your nose that is exactly what happens. In cartoons Wile E Coyote can run off a cliff and he won't start to fall until he realizes he's unsupported and is supposed to drop, but that's not the way real physics works. > > Now evolution does not explain consciousness, Evolution certainly explains why intelligence exists because it effects behavior, if consciousness wasn't a byproduct of intelligence and if the Turing Test doesn't work for it then consciousness wouldn't exist, and yet I know for certain of at least one instance in which consciousness does exist. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
