This is sort of a mix, of energy and matter on a tiny scale. http://www.gizmag.com/light-matter-strong-coupling/43883/
Gear it up to industrial scale, and whola! Light sabres! Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jun 19, 2016 10:17 PM Subject: Re: Aristotle the Nitwit <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_fb3a99ca-eb88-407c-a838-c5491c1358b6"> <div class="aolReplacedBody"><div dir="ltr"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:18 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span> </span><div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"><div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote><font color="#000000" face="arial"> </font><blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>I have to ponder what "fundamental" means?</font></blockquote> </span> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">It means if the chain of "what is this made of?" questions is not infinitely long then it terminates at something fundamental. If the chain is infinitely long then nothing is fundamental. </font><font size="4"> </font></div><span> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">></div>Non divisible yes, and like the neutrino and the muon, also non divisible. </font></blockquote> </span> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4">My hunch is the muon is not fundamental because it spontaneously breaks down into smaller parts, but the electron and neutrino and photon are. </font></div></div></div></div></blockquote> But combine an electron with a positron and both will "break down" into light. Or stuff a bunch of electrons into a small space to create a black hole, which will evaporate into photons and possibly other particles. Is the photon then more fundamental than the electron? What about "forces" of which the photon is-a vibrating wave of electromagnetic forces moving through space? And would space be more fundamental than the forces within it? It seems you might continue breaking down descriptions of space and its properties until at the lowest level you are dealing with bits. But even bits can be fractional, when it comes down to varying levels of knowledge and certainties. Jason <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"><div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"><span> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>So, is there something important when we arrive at the non divisible?</font></blockquote> </span> <font size="4"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">At that point it is no longer meaningful to ask what is it made of. </font></div><span> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div>My only objection if we call it this is semantic in the sense that fundamental becomes a psychological trap, where further research is halted because it means, look no further. </font></blockquote> </span> <div><font size="4" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></font><font size="4">That is a danger, but if the chain of "what is this made of?" questions really does terminate but we can't prove it then for all eternity we will be spinning our wheels looking, unsuccessfully, for something deeper. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.</font> <font size="4"> </font><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"> John K Clark</font></div> </div> <div class="aolmail_h5"> <div> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><span>-----Original Message----- From: John Clark <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> To: everything-list <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> </span><span> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2016 9:11 pm Subject: Re: Aristotle the Nitwit </span> <div><div><div> <div dir="ltr"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Tue, May 31, 2016 , spudboy100 via Everything List </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> </div> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"><blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div> Being picky, what are electrons made out of?</blockquote> <font size="4"> </font> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"><font size="4">As far as we know electrons aren't made of anything, electrons are fundamental. </font> </div> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div> Are electrons arguably, material?</blockquote> <font size="4"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">Electrons have mass, electrical charge, and a magnetic moment <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">, and all of those things are physical properties. So yes, electrons are material. </div> </font></div> <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline">> </div> Last year, a trio of physicists in Italy deduced that electrons would last 5 quitillion times the current age of the univeres</span></blockquote> <font size="4"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> I've heard some speculate that the proton might be unstable over <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> huge <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> time ranges like that, but not the electron. For a electron to decay it would have to change into a charged particle that was lighter than it was, but the electron (and its antimatter counterpart the positron) is the lightest known charged particle, so there is nothing for the electron to decay into. <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> A Muon is very similar <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> to the electron <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> except that it's 207 times as massive, so in about a millionth of a second it decays into a electron and 2 neutrinos, but the electron is the end of the line, there is no place for the electron to go so it sticks around. The same is true of the neutrino, like the electron it's stable, fundamental and isn't made of anything. </font></div> <font size="4"> </font> <span style="font-size:large;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> John K Clark</span> </div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div><span> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>. To post to this group, send email to <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>. 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