On 06 Jun 2016, at 22:47, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> show me a computation that doesn't use matter that obeys
the laws of physics and I'll understand it better.
> Read the original paper by Church or Post.
I can't because all the papers I've seen are made of matter that
obeys the laws of physics.
You cannot see Primary Matter. You can assume it, but that type of
Glass of Milk is incompatible with Digital Mechanism.
>And I'll contact INTEL about it too.
> A comment which suggests that you still want to miss the
point. Intel use physical assumption to implement physically the
computers.
Then INTEL must be making a mighty good assumption because it gets
the job done. If you don't make INTEL's assumption then you can't
calculate 2+2.
That has nothing to do with the fact that I can prove that the
computation of 2+2, and all the others, exists independently of me,
like the prime numbers (most of which I can't compute either).
>>> The physical has a mathematical reason.
>> If so I have great trouble understanding why changing the
physical brain of a mathematician changes not only his
mathematical reasoning but also his consciousness.
> This is weird, as this is the type of things explained the
best by Mechanism.
Yes, a physical brain produces mathematics not the other way
around. Physics is more fundamental than mathematics.
That leads to nonsense when we assume digital mechanism. That's was
the point (that you "refute" at step 3 without anyone understanding
how). I think we are just back there.
Bruno
John K Clark
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