What I meant was that the subjective experience of time would be the same whether there was a material universe with real time, a material block universe without time, or no material universe.
On 16 September 2016 at 02:16, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 9/15/2016 4:44 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 15 September 2016 at 05:25, Stephen Paul King < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Stathis, >> >> I really like this explanation of supervenience. I only worry that we >> need a lot more detail, of how exactly "A and B are unaffected if the >> timing, order or duration of a and b are changed." works. AFAIK, this >> requirement looks a lot like mutual independence, but it clearly can not >> be. There must be a non-zero probability of transitions within the >> processes at each level of the tower, something like a 'time' at each. >> > > Information about timing, order or duration of a and b that does not > change a and b cannot change A and B either. This follows from the > definition of supervenience. > > >> >> That brings me to my next question: Where do we get the inequality of >> entropy when it is NOT at equilibrium for a system. Deriving an arrow of >> time is not just a matter of figuring out how to chain labels in observer >> moments, we need an actual transition from one state to another in our >> theory. >> Does anyone here have a nice explanation of Markov Processes that they >> could point me to? >> > > If there are real processes occurring in real time, this is not > necessarily relevant to the supervenient mental processes. A future mental > state could be computed in real time before a past mental state; it could > have happened to you right now, and you wouldn't know. Thus, even if there > is a real world, with real time and an arrow of time, the subjective world > is timeless. > > > Yet one subjective experiences duration and order. > > I think you've misplaced the concrete. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
