On 18 Apr 2017, at 18:10, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:48 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
John Clark has no need to precisely define the word "you" because
John
Clark has no need to use that or any other personal pronoun to
explain John
Clark's ideas but instead can simply
use a proper noun. By contrast Bruno Marchal can not do that
because the
inherent ambiguity the word "you" will always have if a "you"
duplicating
machine is going to be used
on "you"
in the future is the only thing that disguises the underlying
silliness of Bruno Marchal's ideas.
I can do that, I did do that, and you did not answer. I let you
find the
post.
Ah yes that mythical magical post that you've been talking about
for years,
the wonderful post where you logically refute all my points and
make your
theory crystal clear with no circularity or ambiguity, the post
that is,
unfortunately, as hard to find
as
the Loch Ness Monster, unicorns,
or
the
pot of gold at the end of
a
rainbow.
You know why it's hard to find? Because every time that post shows
up you:
go silent;
wait a certain amount of time;
come back to the beginning of the loop.
That's why. It doesn't take an oracle to figure out that this
computation doesn't terminate.
In any case, the post will never work with you. Natural language is (I
think necessarily) ambiguous, so it is only possible to discuss ideas
if all interlocutors are acting in good faith. The opportunities to
misinterpret anything on purpose are infinite, and you are a master at
taking advantage of them.
How to talk about first-person experience vs. third-person theory with
someone who is fixated on pronoun legalese? Forget about it -- with no
offense to Bruno -- it's a fool's errand.
John was doing a rhetorical maneuver again. The "mythical post" was
just the sane04 paper. I was only alluding to the hundreds of post
where he did what you describe above, where he introduces an ambiguity
in the proper name or pronouns by abstracting from the 1p-3p
distinction in the duplication experiences, and when someone explained
this to him, he answered with "peepee" or thing at that level. I was
alluding to hundreds of posts. John has never write one clear post
refuting the step-3 which would make it possible to answer by one
post. There is no need for this, as the answer is in the publications,
which makes clear the 1-3 distinction, so the ambiguity that John
dreams for cannot occur.
It is not innocuous, as John is not the only one doing that. he is the
only one doing it in front of me, so to speak. But the refusal of my
thesis in 1998 in Brussels was based on similar maneuver (behind my
back though), and the disappearance of the Le Monde prize too, and
this by the director of the thesis in France, which was rather
enthusiast at the defense of the thesis. That is why I try to
understand their motivation. I know the motivation in Brussels, but
elsewhere it is still a mystery.
Bruno
Telmo.
John K Clark
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