I think you're overthinking it... The motivation of John is clear, plain and simple, he is a troll... He likes to contradict, if his contradiction is plainly false the better... He has no other motivation than being a troll... he must enjoy it that much for doing it since so long.
So don't feed the troll, stop answering him... as he likes it, that can continue till death of one of you, you won't make him acknowledge anything you say or change his mind... that would presuppose he has one, which is very unlikely. 2017-04-19 9:24 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > > On 18 Apr 2017, at 18:10, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:48 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> John Clark has no need to precisely define the word "you" because >>>>> John >>>>> Clark has no need to use that or any other personal pronoun to explain >>>>> John >>>>> Clark's ideas but instead can simply >>>>> use a proper noun. By contrast Bruno Marchal can not do that because >>>>> the >>>>> inherent ambiguity the word "you" will always have if a "you" >>>>> duplicating >>>>> machine is going to be used >>>>> on "you" >>>>> in the future is the only thing that disguises the underlying >>>>> silliness of Bruno Marchal's ideas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I can do that, I did do that, and you did not answer. I let you find >>>> the >>>> post. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Ah yes that mythical magical post that you've been talking about for >>> years, >>> the wonderful post where you logically refute all my points and make your >>> theory crystal clear with no circularity or ambiguity, the post that is, >>> unfortunately, as hard to find >>> as >>> the Loch Ness Monster, unicorns, >>> or >>> the >>> pot of gold at the end of >>> a >>> rainbow. >>> >> >> You know why it's hard to find? Because every time that post shows up you: >> >> go silent; >> wait a certain amount of time; >> come back to the beginning of the loop. >> >> That's why. It doesn't take an oracle to figure out that this >> computation doesn't terminate. >> >> In any case, the post will never work with you. Natural language is (I >> think necessarily) ambiguous, so it is only possible to discuss ideas >> if all interlocutors are acting in good faith. The opportunities to >> misinterpret anything on purpose are infinite, and you are a master at >> taking advantage of them. >> >> How to talk about first-person experience vs. third-person theory with >> someone who is fixated on pronoun legalese? Forget about it -- with no >> offense to Bruno -- it's a fool's errand. >> > > > John was doing a rhetorical maneuver again. The "mythical post" was just > the sane04 paper. I was only alluding to the hundreds of post where he did > what you describe above, where he introduces an ambiguity in the proper > name or pronouns by abstracting from the 1p-3p distinction in the > duplication experiences, and when someone explained this to him, he > answered with "peepee" or thing at that level. I was alluding to hundreds > of posts. John has never write one clear post refuting the step-3 which > would make it possible to answer by one post. There is no need for this, as > the answer is in the publications, which makes clear the 1-3 distinction, > so the ambiguity that John dreams for cannot occur. > > It is not innocuous, as John is not the only one doing that. he is the > only one doing it in front of me, so to speak. But the refusal of my thesis > in 1998 in Brussels was based on similar maneuver (behind my back though), > and the disappearance of the Le Monde prize too, and this by the director > of the thesis in France, which was rather enthusiast at the defense of the > thesis. That is why I try to understand their motivation. I know the > motivation in Brussels, but elsewhere it is still a mystery. > > Bruno > > > > >> Telmo. >> >> John K Clark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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