On 27 Apr 2017, at 18:17, Brent Meeker wrote:



On 4/27/2017 12:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If there is a primary physical reality, you have to explain how it drives the arithmetical consciousness flux. But how could it do that? If it does it in a digitally simulable way, it cannot work (because that is done in arithmetic too)

We've just been through (again) finding there is no contradiction between physics and arithmetic.

The contradiction is between physicalism and (weak) materialism. To get the contradiction with arithmetic, you need to find an experience which violates the Z1* (& Co.) logics.




Your answer seems to be that physics can be an illusion of digital thought, therefore primary physics is otiose. But thought can't be a consequence of physics because....well you just don't see how it could be.

Not at all. It cannot be because you need to give a role to the primary matter which is not emulable by the UD, nor FPI-recoverable. If you find one, you can no more say yes to a doctor which uses computationalism and abstract your individuality from any possible role the matter of your brain could play.

Bruno




Brent

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