On 13 Aug 2017, at 23:59, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]>
wrote:
> After duplication, the copies will not claim to be the same
person any more,
True but both will claim they are the "I' who yesterday asked the
question "What city will I see?" . Do you think maybe just
maybe that could cause a wee bit of confusion and when this sort of
thing becomes commonplace the rules on English shouldn't continue on
in the same old way they always have?
> But they will each correctly refer to themselves as "I",
Yes the TWO will refer to themselves as "I", and the
ONE before the duplication that both of the TWO remember being will
also referred to himself as "I". And that is why you can bet your
bottom dollar the English language will radically change the way it
uses personal pronouns the day the engineering difficulties are
overcome and "I" duplicating machines become practical.
> You agree that after the duplication one will say he was
right and the other will say he was wrong, which is an answer
The only one who can answer that question is Mr. I, and Mr. I
says the answer is yes and no. Shady politicians may say yes and no
is an answer but I don't.
>> Yes, and BOTH are "I: . And all this is 100%
predictable.
> > But not to the copies
Of course the copies couldn't have predicted what city they will
see before the duplication, they didn't exist then!!
Then, if the copies are new people, you contradict the personal
identity definition on which we have agreed all along.
Changing definition fallacy.
> because it will seem to them that they either got lucky or
got unlucky with the answer.
If the Moscow man is surprised to see Moscow, or after seeing
Moscow he is surprised to be informed that he is the Moscow man
then the Moscow man isn't very bright.
It means he can think.
> Everyone watching knows exactly what will happen, the subject
prior to duplication knows intellectually exactly what will happen
Yes.
> but the subject nevertheless has a sense of uncertainty
because he feels he will end up in one or other city, but not both.
What a subject "feels" depends entirely on the emotional makeup of
the specific subject, no doubt some will feel they will end up in
Santa Claus's workshop, but science is about what will happen not
what some hillbilly thinks will happen. And by the way,
nothing will happen to THE subject, something will happen to TWO
subjects.
There is only one subject in Helsinki, and there one thing he is sure
about: that from his future personal perspective (and his concerns the
H-guy, so no ambiguity at all) he will see only one city and have a
doppelganger in the other city. That is as certain as getting the cup
of coffee. There will be TWO subjects from a 3p view, but the question
is about the accessible 1p views.
Confusion 1p/3p again (and again, ...).
Bruno
> you to call it "gibberish" where others might use a
different word such as "paradoxical".
Two different people remembering being me right now is odd,
asking what one thing I will see after I become two is gibberish,
neither is paradoxical.
John K Clark
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