On 18 Aug 2017, at 18:02, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:21 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
> If we were able to say in "Helsinki" which one the "1-
you" [...]
I tire of your homemade baby talk.
Insult = lack of argument.
Of course, if the 1p-3p distinction is baby talk, we can doubt you
will ever understand.
> The pronoun used in Helsinki makes perfect sense
Today in in Helsinki the personal pronoun makes perfect
sense to everyone from every point of view, but extrapolated
into tomorrow and into 2 different cities it makes no sense to
anyone from any point of view.
Unless we make clear that we assume computationalism, and that we
distinguish the 1p and the 3p.
>> But there is no way for ANYONE to EVER know if the
prediction "I will see Moscow" was correct or not.
> There will be if ANYONE accompanies the candidate. I go in
the cut-box, in Helsinki, with you. You predict "Washington", say.
You push on the button. I open the door, from inside thus. And we
both see "Moscow". You were wrong.
All that is real nice but let me repeat the question that I have
asked 999 times and you have dodged 999 time: What one and only one
city will I see tomorrow?
Washington or Moscow, each with a probability of 1/2.
If you can't answer that question with the name of one and only one
city then I don't want to hear any more talk about a "bet" because
there is none.
> Nobody will see 50% of Moscow, and nobody will see, in the
first person sense, two cities.
That's because there is no such thing as THE first person
sense in a world that contains "THE first person sense"
duplicating machines.
That will be refuted by the two copies.
> So you are reasoning like we would have claimed the existence
of some 3p indeterminacy, but we claim only that there is an "1p
indeterminacy".
That is incorrect, I never use peepee in my reasoning.
Which seems to be a technic handy for you to fake to miss the point.
Bruno
> I feel sorry for you
And that has got to be the most insincere phrase in the English
language.
John K Clark
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