On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 at 8:39 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> While the outcome is certain for you, it is not certain for me. >>>> >>> >>> That's because the meaning of the personal pronoun "me" will always be >>> uncertain in a world that contains "me" duplicating machines. >>> >>> >> >> And this uncertainty constitutes the irreducible indeterminacy. >> > > It signifies nothing more profound than poor writing and silly pronoun > usage. > > > >> After the duplication there will be two copies, one with $2 and the other >> with nothing. Neither of them has the same amount of money as before. >> > > OK. So what? > > > >> >>> As so often happens in this thread nobody can say if the above is >>> true or not because nobody knows who Mr. I is. >>> >>> >> >> > >> Mr I is the person who remembers going into the duplicator, >> > > Then Mr.I will see *2* cities. QED > > > >> >> and there are two of them. Mr I has gone through this many times and >> knows that half the time he ends up in Washington with $2 and half the time >> in Moscow with no money, hence next time he enters the duplicator he >> believes he has s 1/2 chance of doubling his money or losing it. You tell >> him he is not even wrong, > > > I would never tell him that after he went through the duplicator, but I > would tell him that before. > > >> >> >>> A game involves skill and gambling involves probability and this >>> pointless procedure involves neither. >>> >>> >> >> > >> Games can be games of chance rather than skill. >> > > But chance is not involved, everything is 100% predicable and it's not > even difficult. > It's 100% predictable for an external observer, but not for the person going through duplication, who feels that he has survived as one or other of the duplicated. You, John Clark, would say the same thing if you went through duplication: "I thought before the duplication that I would turn into a soup of gibberish and nonsense, but surprisingly, here I am in Washington, and there is another copy of me in Moscow". > -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
