On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Terren Suydam <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> The expectations of what will happen will change from person to person, >> but the reality of what actually did happen will not. >> > > > > The reality of what actually does happen is not available to anyone in the > thought experiment, > The reality of who does or does not have the memories of being the Helsinki man yesterday Is available to anyone by simply asking the Moscow man and the Washington man about things the Helsinki man knew. > >>> >> >>> t >>> o open their eyes to a single city. >> >> >> >> >> If he's a fool he might indeed expect that, but I don't much care what >> fools think. But ask yourself this, how many fools tomorrow will remember >> being asked the question today? I maintain the answer is 2 fools not one. >> Do you disagree? >> > > > > It's irrelevant. > It's not irrelevant if the survival of the Helsinki man means somebody today remembers being the Helsinki man yesterday; and I can't imagine what else the survival of the Helsinki man could mean. > > The actual number of copies is irrelevant to the thought experiment, as > long as it's more than one. > If there is more than one then it would be very foolish to ask "what one and only one thing will *you* see after *you* become two?". And that's why the thought experiment is worthless. > > > before you enter the duplicator, what do you (the Helsinki you) expect to > experience? > I just don't get it! Why do you care what some jackass expects today but don't care who will remembers being that jackass tomorrow? > > Consider one's experience before entering the duplicator, and the > experience after. Follow the stream of consciousness, as if you were the > one entering the duplicator, > I don't know how to follow "*THE"* stream of consciousness and don't even know what it means because there are two not one. > > > what happens on the other side? > John Clark will be in two cities on the other side, if you don't believe me then go to the two cities and see if there is anybody in them named John Clark. John K Clark > As you agreed earlier, it's an experience of a single city. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
