On 3/19/2018 7:21 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
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NO!*That is exactly what it doesn't show! Consciousness has no
evolutionary purpose, it couldn't have because Evolution can't
even detect consciousness, its no better at it than we are at
detecting consciousness in others. So consciousness must be a
byproduct of something that Evolution *can*detect, like
intelligence.
>//
/But a necessary byproduct of hominid evolved intelligence; /
*NO! *Byproduct don't evolve anything, especially not consciousness
because Evolution can't even see it.
"Byproduct don't evolve anything"?? Where did I say it did? Have you
been drinking?...you can usually keep your answers grammatical.
_/> /_
_/otherwise it could be dispensed with. /_
You can't dispose of a spandrel, it comes with the territory.
You contradict yourself. "Comes with the territory" = "necessary by
product". So if consciousness is a spandrel it's a necessary
byproduct...which means it's not really a byproduct, it's a
feature...just not one that selection can act on.
>//
/Fine. But if the roof isn't supported by arches the spandrels
don't appear. If intelligence evolves via some other path
/
/(as in octopuses) or is designed rather than evolved the argument
that it will be accompanied by consciousness fails./
If there are many paths to intelligence it is probable that Evolution
found the simplest,
That's laughable. You must not have looked at cell metabolism.
if only one of those paths leads to consciousness, our path, then it
would be easier to make a intelligent computer that is conscious than
to make a intelligent computer that has no consciousness.
Maybe. IF it's easy to copy brain architecture and function. The
question is, how will we know if we do. If we copy brain architecture
we'll have some reason to think intelligence => consciousness. But if
we adopt some other architecture, e.g. a mixed neural net + von Neumann,
we'll be in the dark as to whether it's conscious. My inclination would
be ask it. If it's intelligent enough to lie I'm willing to give it
ethical status.
Brent
As I've said
,
you've got to make a educated guess and place a bet. And the stakes
are very high.
John K Clark
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