On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>> * **But a necessary byproduct of hominid evolved intelligence;* >> >> >> *>> NO! *Byproduct don't evolve anything, especially not consciousness >> because Evolution can't even see it. > > > > > "Byproduct don't evolve anything"?? Where did I say it did? > *"a necessary byproduct of hominid evolved intelligence"* > > > Have you been drinking? > No, but you may make me start. John K Clark > ...you can usually keep your answers grammatical. > > > >> *> * >> *otherwise it could be dispensed with. * >> > > You can't dispose of a spandrel, it comes with the territory. > > > You contradict yourself. "Comes with the territory" = "necessary by > product". So if consciousness is a spandrel it's a necessary > byproduct...which means it's not really a byproduct, it's a feature...just > not one that selection can act on. > > > > >* * >> *Fine. But if the roof isn't supported by arches the spandrels don't >> appear. If intelligence evolves via some other path * >> *(as in octopuses) or is designed rather than evolved the argument that >> it will be accompanied by consciousness fails.* > > > If there are many paths to intelligence it is probable that Evolution > found the simplest, > > > That's laughable. You must not have looked at cell metabolism. > > if only one of those paths leads to consciousness, our path, then it would > be easier to make a intelligent computer that is conscious than to make a > intelligent computer that has no consciousness. > > > Maybe. IF it's easy to copy brain architecture and function. The > question is, how will we know if we do. If we copy brain architecture > we'll have some reason to think intelligence => consciousness. But if we > adopt some other architecture, e.g. a mixed neural net + von Neumann, we'll > be in the dark as to whether it's conscious. My inclination would be ask > it. If it's intelligent enough to lie I'm willing to give it ethical > status. > > Brent > > As I've said > , > you've got to make a educated guess and place a bet. And the stakes are > very high. > > John K Clark > > > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
