On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>> * **But a necessary byproduct of hominid evolved intelligence;* >> >> >> *>> NO! *Byproduct don't evolve anything, especially not consciousness >> because Evolution can't even see it. > > > > > "Byproduct don't evolve anything"?? Where did I say it did? > *"a necessary byproduct of hominid evolved intelligence"* > > > Have you been drinking? > No, but you may make me start. John K Clark > ...you can usually keep your answers grammatical. > > > >> *> * >> *otherwise it could be dispensed with. * >> > > You can't dispose of a spandrel, it comes with the territory. > > > You contradict yourself. "Comes with the territory" = "necessary by > product". So if consciousness is a spandrel it's a necessary > byproduct...which means it's not really a byproduct, it's a feature...just > not one that selection can act on. > > > > >* * >> *Fine. But if the roof isn't supported by arches the spandrels don't >> appear. If intelligence evolves via some other path * >> *(as in octopuses) or is designed rather than evolved the argument that >> it will be accompanied by consciousness fails.* > > > If there are many paths to intelligence it is probable that Evolution > found the simplest, > > > That's laughable. You must not have looked at cell metabolism. > > if only one of those paths leads to consciousness, our path, then it would > be easier to make a intelligent computer that is conscious than to make a > intelligent computer that has no consciousness. > > > Maybe. IF it's easy to copy brain architecture and function. The > question is, how will we know if we do. If we copy brain architecture > we'll have some reason to think intelligence => consciousness. But if we > adopt some other architecture, e.g. a mixed neural net + von Neumann, we'll > be in the dark as to whether it's conscious. My inclination would be ask > it. If it's intelligent enough to lie I'm willing to give it ethical > status. > > Brent > > As I've said > , > you've got to make a educated guess and place a bet. And the stakes are > very high. > > John K Clark > > > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
