On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:14:49 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell 
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> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:48:48 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>> On 2/27/2018 5:28 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 7:00:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: 
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>>> On 2/27/2018 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: 
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>>>> On 2/27/2018 10:10 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>> > I used to work on Carl Sagan's staff and I know his views quite well. 
>>>> > What is striking about the YouTube videos, particularly the one 
>>>> > initiating the organization, where many physicists, engineers, 
>>>> > astronauts, etc;, were present affirming the existence of 
>>>> > extraterrestrials in contact with our present day civilization, is 
>>>> > that they are BANNED! This should tell you something about the 
>>>> > so-called respect for "free speech" and objective analysis of 
>>>> > information contradicting the conventional wisdom. 
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>>>> When something is BANNED, but freely available, I'm reminded of how 
>>>> novels used to be advertised as "Banned in Boston." 
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>>>> > You are an example of someone whose assessment on this subject is 
>>>> > based ENTIRELY but a negative bias. You don't actually know squat 
>>>> > about extra terrestrial intelligence, 
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>>>> But then neither do you, since there's no evidence on the subject. 
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>>> *Just eyewitness accounts from people of all walks of life, like those 
>>> reports of stones falling from the sky in the 19th Century. AG *
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>>> When people said stones fell from the sky they were asked where were the 
>>> stones?  When a stone was found they were believed.
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>>> Brent
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>> There were also some spectacular events. 150 years ago a Chelyabinsk 
>> scale meteoroid or asteroid exploded over Poland. Lots of rocks fell out of 
>> the sky. This meant a lot of people saw this. A fair number of these events 
>> were public displays. UFOs tend not to have that feature.
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>> There are unexplained sights witnessed by multiple people.  But that 
>> doesn't justify Aliens of the gap.
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>> Brent
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> Most UFOs tend to be optical. 
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*Yes, most, but not all. There are many cases of simultaneous radar and 
optical contact. But let's forget about those. It reduces the cognitive 
dissonances. AG*
 

> The atmosphere can easily have a cold dense region a few kilometers up 
> that has a higher index of refraction than a warm layer below. This can 
> result in light from a town or city being lensed back to the ground some 
> distance away. This will then appear as a moving shimmering light of some 
> kind. This is called optical ducting. It was first noted as the Zemlya 
> effect, where the Soviets would detonate nuclear explosives in this arctic 
> island and Eskimos in Alask would see the bright burst in the sky. 
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> Most UFOs appear as some sort of lights, they rarely appear as some solid 
> object that if you spit on it the spit would stick to. 
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> LC  
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