On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 3:33:39 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <javascript:>> > > On 11 Apr 2018, at 14:19, Bruce Kellett < <javascript:> > [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <javascript:>> > > If you believe in influence at a distance, you are the one needing to show > the evidence of that extra-ordinary fact. > > > The fact is demonstrated by the experiments that test Bell inequalities on > the singlet state. > > > Not at all. This proves the existence of influence at a distance when we > suppose that a measurement gives an outcome, but in QM without collapse, a > measurement gives all outcomes, with varying relative probabilities. > > > The measurement on one of the spin-half particles in the singlet state has > only two possible outcomes. As is often said in discussions of non-locality > in Everettian QM, 'measurements that are not made do not have outcomes!' > > You did not. You have even considered a singlet state like if it involves > 4 parallel universes, when it involves infinitely many. See more in the > archive. > > > The singlet state involves only four possible combinations of experimental > results > > > We have discussed this, and I have never agree with this. The singlet > state (in classical non GR QM) describes at all times an infinity of > combinations of experimental result. > > > This is false. Even in Everettian QM there are only two possible outcomes > for each spin measurement: this leads to two distinct worlds for each > particle of the pair. Hence only 4 possible parallel universes. Where do > you get the idea that there are infinitely many parallel universes? This is > not part of Everettian QM, or any other model of QM. But even if you can > manufacture an infinity of universes, you still have not shown how this > removes the non-locality inherent in the quantum formalism. > > Bruce >
He could get an infinity of universes by extrapolating what the newly created observers do in their respective universes. Some will repeat the same experiment, some not, but each leading to a cascade of other universes. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
