> On 11 Apr 2018, at 00:47, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:19, John Clark <
>>> <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal <
>>> <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett <
>>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> >> Yes, Bruno is terminally confused about non-locality. He refused to even
>>> >> comment on my simple proof of non-locality in an Everettian context.
>>> > ? I did answer to your remarks, anyone can verify this by looking at the
>>> > archive.
>>> Bruce get used to it, Bruno has done the same thing with me for years. I've
>>> lost count of how many times I've presented a long argument and Bruno
>>> responds with "I've already debunked that argument in a previous post" but
>>> he never says where all those brilliant posts are,
>> It is easy to find them in the archive, but as you are stuck in the step 3
>> of the universal dovetailer, and claim to have debunked where everyone on
>> the list point to you that you were dismissing the distinction between the
>> first person (1p) view and the third person view.
>>> or give any hint of what was in them, or point to anybody who has actually
>>> seen one of them. As far as Everett is concerned long ago I tried to
>>> explain to Bruno that a Everettian other world was about as non-local as
>>> you can get,
>> Phenomenologically only. But that non-locality does not allow any physical
>> influence at a distance. Even those not exploitable for communication at a
> Non-locality does not allow remote communication, but it does mean that
> entangled physical systems are non separable, so what you do at one end of
> the entanglement affects the behaviour of the other end.
That does not follow from any proof of “non-locality” in Everett Quantum
Mechanics. But that is entailed indeed in QM + the assumption of a unique
>> But, contrary to what you said, only Bruce has tried to show that we keep
>> some influence at a distance in Everett, but convince nobody, and his
>> “Everett interpretation” used a notion of “world” which has been shown
>> inconsistent already with Mechanism.
> So much the worse for mechanism.
You talk like if you knew that there is a world. Show me one evidence.
> I imagine that you see yourself as living in a "world"; and that that world
> has a set of relatively consistent properties. Abolish that notion and life
> suddenly becomes very difficult indeed!
No, mechanism explain why we see ourself as living in a world, but without
committing oneself ontologically.
>>> but once again he just said he already proved that was not true
>> Never said that. On the contrary I have always referred, for this non
>> locality question in Everett, to either Deustch and Hayden paper, or
>> Tipler’s paper, or Price Webpage https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
> Your authorities are terminally flawed, as I have repeatedly shown. If you
> can't recall the refutations of these silly papers, then look in the archives!
I answered them. Others too. If you believe in influence at a distance, you are
the one needing to show the evidence of that extra-ordinary fact. You did not.
You have even considered a singlet state like if it involves 4 parallel
universes, when it involves infinitely many. See more in the archive.
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