> On 11 Apr 2018, at 00:47, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >> >>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:19, John Clark < >>> <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>johnkcl...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal < >>> <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> wrote: >>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett < >>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: >>> >>> >> Yes, Bruno is terminally confused about non-locality. He refused to even >>> >> comment on my simple proof of non-locality in an Everettian context. >>> >>> > ? I did answer to your remarks, anyone can verify this by looking at the >>> > archive. >>> Bruce get used to it, Bruno has done the same thing with me for years. I've >>> lost count of how many times I've presented a long argument and Bruno >>> responds with "I've already debunked that argument in a previous post" but >>> he never says where all those brilliant posts are, >>> >> >> It is easy to find them in the archive, but as you are stuck in the step 3 >> of the universal dovetailer, and claim to have debunked where everyone on >> the list point to you that you were dismissing the distinction between the >> first person (1p) view and the third person view. >> >> >>> or give any hint of what was in them, or point to anybody who has actually >>> seen one of them. As far as Everett is concerned long ago I tried to >>> explain to Bruno that a Everettian other world was about as non-local as >>> you can get, >>> >> >> Phenomenologically only. But that non-locality does not allow any physical >> influence at a distance. Even those not exploitable for communication at a >> distance. > > Non-locality does not allow remote communication, but it does mean that > entangled physical systems are non separable, so what you do at one end of > the entanglement affects the behaviour of the other end.
That does not follow from any proof of “non-locality” in Everett Quantum Mechanics. But that is entailed indeed in QM + the assumption of a unique physical universe. > >> But, contrary to what you said, only Bruce has tried to show that we keep >> some influence at a distance in Everett, but convince nobody, and his >> “Everett interpretation” used a notion of “world” which has been shown >> inconsistent already with Mechanism. > > So much the worse for mechanism. You talk like if you knew that there is a world. Show me one evidence. > I imagine that you see yourself as living in a "world"; and that that world > has a set of relatively consistent properties. Abolish that notion and life > suddenly becomes very difficult indeed! No, mechanism explain why we see ourself as living in a world, but without committing oneself ontologically. > > >>> but once again he just said he already proved that was not true >>> >> >> ? >> >> Never said that. On the contrary I have always referred, for this non >> locality question in Everett, to either Deustch and Hayden paper, or >> Tipler’s paper, or Price Webpage https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm >> <https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm> > Your authorities are terminally flawed, as I have repeatedly shown. If you > can't recall the refutations of these silly papers, then look in the archives! I answered them. Others too. If you believe in influence at a distance, you are the one needing to show the evidence of that extra-ordinary fact. You did not. You have even considered a singlet state like if it involves 4 parallel universes, when it involves infinitely many. See more in the archive. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com > <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.