> On 11 Apr 2018, at 00:47, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:19, John Clark < >>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal < >>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett < >>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >> Yes, Bruno is terminally confused about non-locality. He refused to even >>> >> comment on my simple proof of non-locality in an Everettian context. >>> >>> > ? I did answer to your remarks, anyone can verify this by looking at the >>> > archive. >>> Bruce get used to it, Bruno has done the same thing with me for years. I've >>> lost count of how many times I've presented a long argument and Bruno >>> responds with "I've already debunked that argument in a previous post" but >>> he never says where all those brilliant posts are, >>> >> >> It is easy to find them in the archive, but as you are stuck in the step 3 >> of the universal dovetailer, and claim to have debunked where everyone on >> the list point to you that you were dismissing the distinction between the >> first person (1p) view and the third person view. >> >> >>> or give any hint of what was in them, or point to anybody who has actually >>> seen one of them. As far as Everett is concerned long ago I tried to >>> explain to Bruno that a Everettian other world was about as non-local as >>> you can get, >>> >> >> Phenomenologically only. But that non-locality does not allow any physical >> influence at a distance. Even those not exploitable for communication at a >> distance. > > Non-locality does not allow remote communication, but it does mean that > entangled physical systems are non separable, so what you do at one end of > the entanglement affects the behaviour of the other end.
That does not follow from any proof of “non-locality” in Everett Quantum Mechanics. But that is entailed indeed in QM + the assumption of a unique physical universe. > >> But, contrary to what you said, only Bruce has tried to show that we keep >> some influence at a distance in Everett, but convince nobody, and his >> “Everett interpretation” used a notion of “world” which has been shown >> inconsistent already with Mechanism. > > So much the worse for mechanism. You talk like if you knew that there is a world. Show me one evidence. > I imagine that you see yourself as living in a "world"; and that that world > has a set of relatively consistent properties. Abolish that notion and life > suddenly becomes very difficult indeed! No, mechanism explain why we see ourself as living in a world, but without committing oneself ontologically. > > >>> but once again he just said he already proved that was not true >>> >> >> ? >> >> Never said that. On the contrary I have always referred, for this non >> locality question in Everett, to either Deustch and Hayden paper, or >> Tipler’s paper, or Price Webpage https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm >> <https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm> > Your authorities are terminally flawed, as I have repeatedly shown. If you > can't recall the refutations of these silly papers, then look in the archives! I answered them. Others too. If you believe in influence at a distance, you are the one needing to show the evidence of that extra-ordinary fact. You did not. You have even considered a singlet state like if it involves 4 parallel universes, when it involves infinitely many. See more in the archive. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
