> On 11 Apr 2018, at 00:47, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
>>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:19, John Clark < 
>>> <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>johnkcl...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal < 
>>> <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> On 9 Apr 2018, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett < 
>>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>bhkell...@optusnet.com.au 
>>> <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:
>>> >> Yes, Bruno is terminally confused about non-locality. He refused to even 
>>> >> comment on my simple proof of non-locality in an Everettian context.
>>> > ? I did answer to your remarks, anyone can verify this by looking at the 
>>> > archive.
>>> Bruce get used to it, Bruno has done the same thing with me for years. I've 
>>> lost count of how many times I've presented a long argument and Bruno 
>>> responds with "I've already debunked that argument in a previous post" but 
>>> he never says where all those brilliant posts are,
>> It is easy to find them in the archive, but as you are stuck in the step 3 
>> of the universal dovetailer, and claim to have debunked where everyone on 
>> the list point to you that you were dismissing the distinction between the 
>> first person (1p) view and the third person view.
>>> or give any hint of what was in them, or point to anybody who has actually 
>>> seen one of them. As far as Everett is concerned long ago I tried to 
>>> explain to Bruno that a Everettian other world was about as non-local as 
>>> you can get,
>> Phenomenologically only. But that non-locality does not allow any physical 
>> influence at a distance. Even those not exploitable for communication at a 
>> distance.
> Non-locality does not allow remote communication, but it does mean that 
> entangled physical systems are non separable, so what you do at one end of 
> the entanglement affects the behaviour of the other end.

That does not follow from any proof of “non-locality” in Everett Quantum 
Mechanics. But that is entailed indeed in QM + the assumption of a unique 
physical universe.

>> But, contrary to what you said, only Bruce has tried to show that we keep 
>> some influence at a distance in Everett, but convince nobody, and his 
>> “Everett interpretation” used a notion of “world” which has been shown 
>> inconsistent already with Mechanism.
> So much the worse for mechanism.

You talk like if you knew that there is a world. Show me one evidence.

> I imagine that you see yourself as living in a "world"; and that that world 
> has a set of relatively consistent properties. Abolish that notion and life 
> suddenly becomes very difficult indeed!

No, mechanism explain why we see ourself as living in a world, but without 
committing oneself ontologically.

>>> but once again he just said he already proved that was not true
>> ?
>> Never said that. On the contrary I have always referred, for this non 
>> locality question in Everett,  to either Deustch and Hayden paper, or 
>> Tipler’s paper, or Price Webpage https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm 
>> <https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm>
> Your authorities are terminally flawed, as I have repeatedly shown. If you 
> can't recall the refutations of these silly papers, then look in the archives!

I answered them. Others too. If you believe in influence at a distance, you are 
the one needing to show the evidence of that extra-ordinary fact. You did not. 
You have even considered a singlet state like if it involves 4 parallel 
universes, when it involves infinitely many. See more in the archive.


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