Le jeu. 31 mai 2018 à 03:38, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> a écrit :
> > > On 5/30/2018 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le mer. 30 mai 2018 à 20:29, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> >> >> On 5/30/2018 3:18 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> 2018-05-30 11:27 GMT+02:00 Lawrence Crowell < >> [email protected]>: >> >>> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 1:25:19 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You miss my point that no one, no physicists, no philosopher, starts >>>> out by defining "primary matter". It is your invention as a straw man to >>>> be defeated by computationalism. Some physicists and some philosophers may >>>> suppose that the stuff described by physics is enough to explain the world >>>> we observe; but most also suppose that it is not "primary". They look for >>>> a deeper more unified ur-stuff and many physicists have followed Wheeler >>>> and Tegmark in thinking of the equations of mathematical physics as simply >>>> defining the ur-stuff. >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>> >>> This and other old philosophical ideas are of no utility in physics. >>> There is no physical meaning to terms such as primary matter. >>> >> >> Primary matter is a metaphysical idea about the reality... so of course >> it is of no utility in physics... but physics don't tell us anything about >> what is reality. >> >> >> Yet it tells us about how the world works and what we can and can't do. >> So what exactly would it add know "what is reality". This is exactly like >> my point about consciousness. When we can predict, construct, manipulate, >> consciousness the way we do the physical world, then the "hard problem" of >> consciousness will be as irrelevant as elan vitale is to biology and >> "primary matter" is to physics. >> >> >> Everythingism are metaphysical idea about what is reality... so if your >> concern is only in utility, philosophy doesn't concern you... >> >> Materialism, physicalim, computationalism, deism etc are metaphysical, >> philosophical and about what reality is... physics is about prediction on >> the reality, not about what ultimately reality is... it answers how, not >> what and why... >> >> The problem is with people equating physics whith physicalism... they're >> not the same, one is a metaphysical idea about the nature of reality. >> >> >> But I'm suggesting to you that this metaphysical idea is empty if it has >> no consequences, but if it does have consequences then it's physics and >> not metaphysics. >> > > > That is your point of view which I do not share... You're like people who > don't like arts and find that empty... As long as you're not imposing your > view, I'm fine with it. > > > As I am fine with those seeking the elan vitale and primary matter. Just > so they don't use my tax money. > Well, it's a beautiful straw man... Keep your money. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
