> On 8 Jun 2018, at 16:26, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> I said information was as close as you can get to the traditional > >> religious concept of the soul and still remain within the scientific > >> method. In the past I pointed out exactly what those similarities and > >> differences were, I will repeat them now: > > * The soul is non material and so is information. > * It's difficult to pin down a unique physical location for the soul, and the > same is true for information. > *The soul is the essential, must have, part of consciousness, exactly the > same situation is true for information. > > *The soul is immortal and so, potentially, is information. > > > Well. Thanks. Brent was quoting me, but your answer is not too bad. > > >>But there are important differences too. > > *A soul is unique but information can be duplicated. > > > With mechanism, obviously a soul, or a first person experience can be > > duplicated from a third person pov. But not from a first person pov, > > And that is one (of many) problems with your “proof”. You start off by > assuming a physical mechanism can duplicate everything
False. I start from the assumption that I can survive from a digital emulation of my brain at some level. From this I have deduced many years ago the non-cloning theorem (without assuming quantum mechanics nor even an ontological physical universe). > EXCEPT for the first person pov, EXCEPT *from*, not for. > and then at the end you conclude you have proven mechanism can duplicate > everything EXCEPT for the first person pov . Mechanism cannot duplicate or do something. Your phrasing is non sensical, and as often, you don’t seem to listen to what I say, and attribute me non sense that I have never asserted. > > > you say that with Everett the observer does not feel the split. > > Yes, but observers will feel things after both the Everett type split and the > duplicating machine type split, and if the environments they are put into are > different then what they feel will be different and they will become > different people from that point on, although both will remember being the > same person before the split (or walking into the copying machine). OK then, but that entails the first person indeterminacy for the self-duplication. You make my point. > > >> *The soul is and will always remain unfathomable, but information is > >> understandable, in fact, information is the ONLY thing that is > >> understandable. > > > Theaetetus is *the* counterexample to this, > > That is of course Bullshit, and like most of the wise men you recommend on > this list the guy who dreamed up Theaetetus would flunk a freshman algebra > test No. He was a great mathematician. He proved the irrationality of all square root of non perfect square. And his definition of knowledge is one of the main improvement in theology for that period. > and didn't even know where the sun went at night. You've recommended many > many books on this list but only a very small number of them were written by > authors who have been dead for less than a century, but even those books are > unable to calculate 2+2. <sigh> Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
