On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 8:20:00 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote:
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> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 6:13:04 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 6/12/2018 10:51 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 5:28:05 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>>> On 6/12/2018 1:01 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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>>> *The bottom line, or if you will, the 800 pound elephant in the room, is
>>> that the macro entities which are included in the seminal superposition of
>>> states for decoherence, are in thermal equilibrium with their environments,
>>> constantly emitting and absorbing photons -- before, during, and after
>>> their inclusions in said state. Thus, they never are, nor can they ever be
>>> isolated from their environments, making this seminal superposition of
>>> states an illusory construction. AG *
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>>> Don't you see that you're just repeating the old debate about the
>>> Heisenberg cut. Where's the line between micro and macro? You think
>>> simplistically by considering only really big stuff as classical and
>>> ignoring the fact that there is a whole range of sizes.
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>>> Brent
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>> * I have NOT. I have stated several times that some macro objects are
>> EXCLUDED, such as those with well defined deBroglie wave lengths like
>> billiard balls and Buckyballs. For the vast set of applicable macro
>> objects, my claim remains; that there is a fallacy of including these
>> objects in superpositions, as doing so leads to a foolish conclusion; MW.
>> AG*
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>> You're missing the point that in every QM experiment there's a step where
>> micro goes to macro. It doesn't solve anything to rant about de Broglie
>> wavelengths of cats.
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>> Brent
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> *Before the Masters of the Universe included Observers, Instruments, and
> Environments in the wf's, did quantum experiments imply MW (excluding the
> MWI based on the SWE)? AG*
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*As I see it, decoherence theory "solves" the cat paradox by assuming
(falsely) that the cat can be isolated and then decoheres with extreme
rapidly, But then we're still left with a cat which is alive and dead
simulteously, but only for a very very short duration. So No, I don't see
this as a solution. CMIIAW. AG*
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